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Posted 11/20/07 - 6:53 PM:
Subject: passion vs. addiction
what's the difference?

any thoughts?

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Posted 11/21/07 - 12:59 AM:

"I do not kill because I like it, Mr. Smith. I Kill because i am addicted to it." -Mr. Brooks

An addiction is a feeling of needing to. A passion is a feeling of wanting to. I think.
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Posted 11/21/07 - 2:56 AM:

Even if these meanings are somehow conflated, I'd point to the connotations of these words in modern use.

Addiction is a bad situation, which suggests being ruled by a static cycle, obsession, habit to the detriment of one's life. It is used to describe the physiological dependence of drug addicts.

Passion is more obscure (romantic in origin). It is closer to an act driven by love, even if that driving love is reducible to biological attraction or a belief in fate. Sure, we can do stupid things in the name of passion (conviction), but it doesn't necessarily imply a static obsession like addiction seems to.

Say there are two students, one is a painter who loves to paint in the style of renaissance masters, another is a student of science, who loves to research his field of interest. These loves maybe passions that envelop their lives, even interfering with other commitments, but which may ultimately fulfill them in a positive way. Addiction implies that such enthusiasms diminish life; the loss has become greater than the gain.

Compare:"Maria blew me off because of her addiction to painting" to "Maria is so passionate about painting that she doesn't have a lot of time to enjoy doing other things." Of course Maria can say: "I'm absolutely addicted to painting" which would by hyperbole, instead of a softer use of "I'm so passionate about painting."

Maybe we walk a dangerous line between passion and addiction, in the same way we would conceive of every person capable of success and failure in life if they set their minds up to live (via acts of will). Overwhelming and unguided enthusiasms may result in self-destruction, while addiction (in a medical sense) is banal, static, depressing, inescapable.

online etymology dictionary wrote:
Passion:c.1175, "sufferings of Christ on the Cross," from O.Fr. passion, from L.L. passionem (nom. passio) "suffering, enduring," from stem of L. pati "to suffer, endure," from PIE base *pei- "to hurt" (cf. Skt. pijati "reviles, scorns," Gk. pema "suffering, misery, woe," O.E. feond "enemy, devil," Goth. faian "to blame"). Sense extended to sufferings of martyrs, and suffering generally, by 1225; meaning "strong emotion, desire" is attested from c.1374, from L.L. use of passio to render Gk. pathos. Replaced O.E. ├żolung (used in glosses to render L. passio), lit. "suffering," from ├żolian (v.) "to endure." Sense of "sexual love" first attested 1588; that of "strong liking, enthusiasm, predilection" is from 1638.


This is where passion gets existential: to endure a love that immolates sense, to carry on always in spite of man's disfigured series of good intentions in a world indifferent to being, or to live in the subjective universe of self without the comfort of a universal ontological foundation.

I believe determinism in a romantic sense has something to do with love and passion (faith in ones ideals in spite of convention, decreed limits, laws). This is Campbell's sighting of the "Left Hand Path." We can suffer if we don't live (addiction) and we can suffer differently if we do live (in passion).





Edited by Nihil Loc on 11/21/07 - 4:00 PM. Reason: too much inconsiderate blabber
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Posted 11/21/07 - 4:23 AM:

Folks,

I think that passion is a dynamic thing, coming from within us, expressing our life force. Addiction is different. This is giving in to an outside influence, weakening us and sapping our life force.

Both passions and addictions can destroy us, or be controlled. A passion can be channeled to very positive outcomes, but an addiction can't.

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Posted 11/21/07 - 7:55 AM:

good points all around. perhaps it could be said that passion is selfless, while addiction is selfish?
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Posted 11/21/07 - 3:59 PM:

lib wrote:
good points all around. perhaps it could be said that passion is selfless, while addiction is selfish?



Passion----------------------------Addiction
Selflessness---------------------------- Selfishness
Dynamic----------------------------Static
Free Will----------------------------Determinism
Good----------------------------Bad
Graces----------------------------Furies
Independency----------------------------Dependency
Purposeful----------------------------Purposelessness
Life----------------------------Death
Valid----------------------------Invalid

What are you passionate about lib?
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Posted 11/21/07 - 4:09 PM:

nihil wrote:
What are you passionate about lib?

off the top of my head... love. intimate relationships. music. nod symbol interpretation. art. whee

how about you guys, what are you passionate about?
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Posted 11/22/07 - 1:18 AM:

Curiously, I think I'm passionate about selflessness now. Each new report of it's occurrence makes my eyes water... and it's absence in myself draws growing concern and impetus to change.
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Posted 11/22/07 - 3:50 AM:

praxis wrote:
Curiously, I think I'm passionate about selflessness now. Each new report of it's occurrence makes my eyes water... and it's absence in myself draws growing concern and impetus to change.


Praxis,

A lot of people like to deny selflessness, but not everyone.

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Posted 11/29/09 - 9:03 PM:

a recent discussion with a friend yielded the following responses to this question:

1) with addiction, you can't stop
2) passion doesn't create withdrawal

(these are sort of corollaries of each other)
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Posted 11/29/09 - 11:00 PM:

What I'm passionate about--

What praxis said--even to the eye-watering. So tired of my own and others' mediocrity.

The well-being of certain loved ones.

I guess the excitement I experience when I encounter really good writing could be called passion.

Taking my own writing as far as it will go. Doing something very cool with my own writing.


As to the distinction--I really like all the earlier posts. Also, with addiction there emerges, sooner or later, an element of loathing toward the substance, activity or person, because it or he or she hampers the operation of that vital faculty, the personal will. The addicted person has lost self-command. When I hear women running down men as a group, or the reverse, I suspect there may be problems with addiction.

Maybe passion could be identified contrastingly as a full and generous use of the personal will.
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