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Posted 10/10/07 - 12:40 PM:
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Posted 10/10/07 - 5:48 PM:

This might be a copyright infringement even if I credit the source. I took some beautiful still frames from one of my favorite movies, Lawnmower Man, and stitched several copies together. The image is taken from a scene in which Dr. Angelo is using a virtual reality vizer to increase Jobe's intelligence.

I suppose if I plug the movie its all good. Go buy lawnmower man. Its a B rated 1990's Sci Fi movie with Pierce Brosnen and Jeff Fahey that costs about 4 dollars at a Suncoast, brand new.

I call it Branching Conduit in Cyberspace

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Posted 10/10/07 - 6:23 PM:

i guess copyright boundaries are widely debated (is andy warhol's painting of a campbell's soup can an example of copyright infringement?), but more than anything i would think of it as a tribute, personally, rather than plagiarism. it would probably be more controversial if you were trying to sell it. i dig it. thumb up
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Posted 10/13/07 - 4:35 PM:

Speaking of repurposed graphics, made me rethink what I was working on today...



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Posted 10/13/07 - 8:00 PM:

Hmmm. That might be an interesting banner for the forum entrance, where the Couch and the coffee table are now.

The problem is that it uses banal widespread advertisement tactics to attract membership, suggests, by registering, our personal information will be exploited for commercial purposes; or it makes the banner a bit more ambiguous (it mocks an advertisement banner). It is and isn't one (but how do we know?). If I never had been to the couch and saw that banner, I would be turned off in its "false advertising." The destination does not match the sign.

It makes my stomach churn.

The Couch does provide a communication service, but it is nearly free (on the web) subject to general rules of propriety. Who doesn't have artistic freedom? Why should it be something you have to register for? Maybe I just find "registering for freedom" rather repugnant.

I register for prison, school, events, citizenships and consumer programs. Not freedom.
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Posted 10/14/07 - 11:48 PM:

Nihil Loc wrote:
It makes my stomach churn.

That's because I know my target audience. laughing
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Posted 10/18/07 - 4:22 PM:

Just got some feedback from the client in regards to the layout above. Their response was that it lacked the "WOW factor," and the logo, that I put a little more effort into than my goofy couch logo, was unmemorable. I pointed out that the design will not be used for advertising purposes and does not need to compete for attention. It's purpose is to function as a frame for the transaction being offered, a frame intended to subconsciously make the offer more appealing by implying the illusory promise of control (freedom).

As for the logo, I offered that it's purpose is only to establish credibility, not branding or brand awareness, for this particular enterprise. Hope they buy it! grin
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Posted 10/18/07 - 5:44 PM:

libertygrl wrote:
(is andy warhol's painting of a campbell's soup can an example of copyright infringement?)


I don't see how that can be debated since canvas and paint don't resemble a soup can at all... it's a representation, but not a copy, so there can't be a copyright. (Text can be copyrighted as an abstract thing beyond the particular font and size etc, but the text on soup cans likely wouldn't be long enough to qualify.) Trademark infringement could be argued maybe. Speaking of trademarks, I have adobe's trademark usage instructions bookmarked for their hilarity.

NL's example could be copyright infringement since he technically started with an exact copy of a portion of the work and changed it from there, but of course in a practical sense no copyright holder would view the action negatively, and if they did they couldn't prove the origin since it doesn't resemble what it came from.

Edited by Paul on 10/18/07 - 5:49 PM
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Posted 10/18/07 - 9:15 PM:

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If you've any questions about the composition process, or any other inquiries regarding my art posts, just ask -- I'll do my best to answer any questions/responses!

Dissociative Effigy - short story in IM form... I've been vary patient.
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Posted 10/30/07 - 12:25 AM:

For some reason too many darklings gathered here at the couch.
Perhaps from a shared and uncanny seventh sense.
Together, such a society repulses the enlightened.

If ever there was a more depressing law which leads us to lose even the stubborn illusion of our hopes for new life: the dead may only talk to the dead; to the living we are animals. Here is a sensational example.

Here comes a beautiful human girl with a basket of flowers, to the edge of an oriental pond.

A throng of carp amass and gurgle, popping open and close their little hungry mouths. Each little fish may indeed be screaming for relief from their nature's hell, or just seeking to quell a ceaseless appetite. "Take me away, fair princess, take me away. Hold me to your lips and kiss me that you may see me for what I am." All she hears is gurgles and all she sees is the flash of a mouth in a mass, nature's replica of any other "carp!"

Were she from some insanity or game motivated to kiss a fish... it would die. The dead are like animals to the living.
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Posted 10/30/07 - 9:54 AM:

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For some reason too many darklings gathered here at the couch.
Perhaps from a shared and uncanny seventh sense.
Together, such a society repulses the enlightened.

aw, i would rather have endarkened sincerity, then. i'd say we have a fair share of light and dark aspects here, in good balance. i think people are probably more intimidated by the intimate setting. i would guess that more people are interested in sheer anonymity when it comes to online forums; perhaps this is too vulnerable an environment for most.

kisses the fish,
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Posted 11/06/07 - 10:39 PM:

You do a sort of adolescent dadaism. There is always the inevitability of having to mimic what has already come. In a capitalist consumer driven society we merely enhance the "cheapness" of what has come before. The product may still be here and it serves it function but it is one of millions of copies -- that your image appears on a digital format affords its secret proliferation. The whole work is reduced to equal in value the worth of each of its indivisible constituents (pixels), which each alone evoke the value of a lazy and empty "modernism."

The number of pixels is to the number of copies is to its dispersed value in the eyes of many viewers.

Desperation and bondage mocks itself in your work. We would like to redeem or dissatisfaction with it, in the way that we would like to redeem the value of art as a catapult into action against its eternity. It wordlessly undermines our effort, sinks us deeper into our chronic malaise and depression. There is no way out. There is no freedom. There is no art.

The word has left the scene. That which issues from our mouths is empty, an abhorrent spinning around truth, a mockery of the tiniest intuition to rise. Our passion finds no outlet in a redeeming figure, of self or world.

The bondage is insubstantial, commercial, an engoregement of the microcosm to push out and weigh down the timid soul.

I can't cry. I can't vomit. My words explode. My one working eye is made of glass and the authority is scraping it across a sandpaper board.

"Here is your somatic paranoia. Live with it."

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Beyond restraint a dangerous energy resides. The power of an atom bomb is a potential within the core of every single individual -- just to touch a penny is to acknowledge this power, radicalism, force. To touch a penny is to exhaust oneself in a consideration of potentials.

A nihilist's sphere is one in which power overrides concern for all life. We desire annihilation of all life invested in our hallucinations -- to let instinct take its course, to be as others are. To turn to the most potent fiction and live through it.

To choose hallucination to end hallucination.
To stop and breath.
To dream another's bliss in the process of our own death.


Edited by Nihil Loc on 11/06/07 - 10:56 PM
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Posted 11/09/07 - 12:31 PM:

"For some reason too many darklings gathered here at the couch"

"i would guess that more people are interested in sheer anonymity when it comes to online forums"

A possible reason for this could be that most aren't necessarily looking for intellectual stimulation from an often intimate and communal discourse, of civilized give and take, but merely a place to hammer out their convictions. Perhaps the root is that the kind of psychological and emotional environment it takes to establish original and tested personal convictions is naturally one of struggle, being a conflict between whatever norms were taught and what ideas are intuitive. Therefore the intuitive ideas, being fostered in an environment decidedly adversarial, oft have a violent and confrontational edge to them, and only with time can people allow both themselves and their ideas to adapt and thrive in new, non-hostile environments. So it's either a sign of maturity, or a sign that people have gotten soft ... hehe
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Posted 11/09/07 - 4:17 PM:

b.mellow wrote:
Perhaps the root is that the kind of psychological and emotional environment it takes to establish original and tested personal convictions is naturally one of struggle, being a conflict between whatever norms were taught and what ideas are intuitive. Therefore the intuitive ideas, being fostered in an environment decidedly adversarial, oft have a violent and confrontational edge to them, and only with time can people allow both themselves and their ideas to adapt and thrive in new, non-hostile environments.


You're giving who ever is "hammering out convictions" a benefit of the doubt. I believe such behavior is a sign of immaturity, but perhaps it is permissible in an environment in which immaturity is taken to be rampant.

If the venue deters mature figures who are seeking to give and take in civilized discourse then this very immaturity may have become the rule of the forum.

The question is: what kinds of formal discussion and subject matter, framed by empirical observations and personal values, would attract more people to the forum?



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Posted 11/09/07 - 7:03 PM:

You either misunderstood, or I didn't explain effectively. Just coming onto the internt to hammer our your own convictions is absolutely a sign of immaturity. All I'm doing is estimating why a majority seem to be of that mind-set, and that is, in a nutshell, because original ideas themselves that might deserve to be heard arise out of conflict with the conventional. Its entire infancy is spent hammering out its differences from its surroundings as opposed to its similarities, otherwise, if its just something going along with the grain, then what's the point, why be well-defined by the individual when it can be casually accepted? I'm not saying this gives everyone's ideas any credence. I'd venture to guess as many bad ideas as good ones all come to fruition in the same manner. And if displaying our ideas and participating in a communal forum peacably is a sign of maturity, then one (and probably many, and they'd probably be right) could say Nietzsche was immature, but that has no relevance whatsoever to the accuracy of his statements. The hostile madman may be right, the friendly gatherer may be cuckoo. For me, for the most part, I don't believe in absolutes and am more concerned with the responsibility of enjoying, appreciating and exploring life, thus I tend to avoid those swinging Thor-Hammers all together. Even if a statement is eternally true, but it causes great stress and torment on the psyche, what is it's value, really?

Anyways, I ramble.

How to attract more people to the forum? More advertising? By emphasizing what is different at the Couch than other places, what it has to offer that others don't? Most importantly, by having fun and setting the standard of high intellect and also high character. (And no, that's not a joke about Midnight Monk's extracurricular activities.) Because, as I believe you'd agree, it's not just in attracting people, but attracting the right people.
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Posted 11/11/07 - 10:10 PM:

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Its entire infancy is spent hammering out its differences from its surroundings as opposed to its similarities, otherwise, if its just something going along with the grain, then what's the point, why be well-defined by the individual when it can be casually accepted?


Can you give an example? I think I know what you mean but not in terms of what people are posting (unless I'm doing this).

I take it as unless an issue conflicts with the norms (that which we assume is casually accepted) it need not be dressed up in an offensive, radical, egoic tone. In order for people to stress the similarities and use a common language (formal ways) we have to struggle to teach ourselves just that.

b.mellow wrote:
I'm not saying this gives everyone's ideas any credence.


Hmmm. sticking out tongue

What gives anyone's ideas any credence at all... haha! I give my cynical supercilliary face. raised eyebrow
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Posted 11/11/07 - 10:35 PM:

Well, I'm back on the art wheel.



Thrift of the Magi and Postmodern Cross

My divisive roughshod trod, pronounces, here the viewers crutch:
"Gather around ladies and gents to get a bit of the news. You paid for meanings here where meanings don't exist, you'll get your return. This pic you see before your eyes was captured overseas in a cosmopolitan city built of a petrol lake. Our side-walk acquisitions venture office-seer curried flavor with a blind prophet's daughter to get this magic image. This old gaunt prophet, a trisexual mind you, offered up this wonder we now see as gift in return that our office-seer leave her granddaughter without a taint. And so, not without a double cross, we present you with what us cheapners call The Thrift of the Magi."

We gets it, a cross that is replicating as memory in time, and we puts it as a construct of identities: As Bs Cs Ds in combination. This identities obscure each other as they mate to proliferate.

You sees a Christen thing, or a pagan thing, crosses, crosses, that mean no biggy. You sees the trace of movement, you gets a memory, a sequences or chain of memories.

Na, no deal here. We means we means. Boundaries and confusion, mass and illusion. Pills, puddles, and a bendy straw.

Oh, mucky taut heart string.
crying

Gives us but a hope, say nooooo! to Pope, and write a letter here, perceive the mission here, nigh, nigh, nigh, ohh succor, vast massive sucker.

In a humble tone... soft and polite... paused.

silent...

Please, death, please... would you vault us?
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Posted 11/13/07 - 5:18 PM:

Nihil Loc wrote:


Can you give an example? I think I know what you mean but not in terms of what people are posting (unless I'm doing this).


No no no no no. I was speaking absolutely in generalities and not referencing anyone in particular. And even if I were, your name would not be on the top of the "immature" list. In fact, most (if not all, I haven't "met" everybody) seem like reasonable folk, and that may be one of the reasons why it's less apt to have dozens of angry people buzzing about, creating noise and conflict, making a scene, pressing buttons and forcing lurkers to climb out of their shell and join in the festivities/ verbal riots.

I take it as unless an issue conflicts with the norms (that which we assume is casually accepted) it need not be dressed up in an offensive, radical, egoic tone. In order for people to stress the similarities and use a common language (formal ways) we have to struggle to teach ourselves just that.


Bingo. And since coming onto the internet and joining in on quality conversation takes considerable effort and time (and commitment, you gotta return and respond), it will take more than just a casual aggreance, it would have to be something that gets people motivated, and unless you hit exactly the right buttons, it's more often than not to motivate people with offenses on their beliefs than the uplifting of something, anything, that makes them want to register and post about how much they agree. Wouldn't you agree? wink

What gives anyone's ideas any credence at all... haha! I give my cynical supercilliary face.


I am incredibly fascinated at how absorbed a community is in their own culture, even one as "advanced" and "enlightened" as ours, thinking there was some ultimate truths to their myths, their secrets, their rituals that were so true, that there could not be any other truth and that it should stand true for all peoples of all times, instead of seeing themselves as direct reflections of their particular time and place in history. And yet, with our actual biologies relatively unchanged the last 10,000+ years, look at the vast differences in beliefs and ritual, in what was accepted and the norm concerning such taboo subjects like sex, religion, ritualistic sacrifice and symbolic cannibalism. Each culture has their take because that was the mindset they needed to have to thrive. China needs to have less children. Hard laboring farming families of the 18-1900's needed their 12-16 year old daughters making babies. Cannibalism was once a sign of the utmost respect. And yet people want to come on here and argue about moral absolutes because we, in the year 2007 (a random number, anyways) believe we are at the zenith of intellectual thought and moral standing. Phooey!

I started out like most others, just a handful of years ago, coming onto the internet with convictions galore and an axe to grind and a personal satisfaction in out-witting people. And after hundreds of threads and thousands of posts and a million ideas swirling and my personal life worse than it'd ever been while my intellectual awareness supposedly at a pinnacle, I realized, what the hell for?

Actually, I saw a movie. It wasn't in a book or online or during meditation, but while watching a Hollywood movie with Ed Norton as a nazi and after being crossed by his white brothers a professor asks him: "Has anything you've done, made your life better?" We can spew all the hate we want, we can climb a mountain and be gods among men and be bedfellows with misery (it is, afterall, one of our first loves [all that hostile grinding and shaping of ideals] and it has powered us this far) or we can accept the world, understand there are no moral absolutes and that fighting over abstractions only harms our actual, physical existence.

So what gives anyone ideas credence at all? I say if it's working for them. If they are happy.

I stopped listening to punk music long ago, but a line from NOFX still stands out to me. "His hopes may be false, but his happiness is real. Don't try to judge him, he's just a man."

Of course, I can only say all this because I am in a unique situation in time and space where my culture is advanced enough to allow me insight into times past and lands distant, acceptant enough and encouraging enough to promote freedom of ideals, and physically leisurely enough (less fight or flight responses) that I can be more concerned with well-being than interpreting ultimate truths from subjective stimuli. Of course, put a gun to my head and maybe I'll start spouting some absolutes!
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Posted 11/17/07 - 11:25 PM:

b. mellow wrote:
In fact, most (if not all, I haven't "met" everybody) seem like reasonable folk, and that may be one of the reasons why it's less apt to have dozens of angry people buzzing about, creating noise and conflict, making a scene, pressing buttons and forcing lurkers to climb out of their shell and join in the festivities/ verbal riots.


hmm

Getting more lurkers to sign up and converse here is what I want. Somehow I think creating noise and superficial conflict would deter lurkers rather than invite them to the table. Controversy about issues helps to motivate further research, so long as the discussion is held within reasonable and friendly limits.

b. mellow wrote:
unless you hit exactly the right buttons, it's more often than not to motivate people with offenses on their beliefs than the uplifting of something, anything, that makes them want to register and post about how much they agree. Wouldn't you agree?


I will agree. This is where I become aware of my own posting behavior and feel a little guilty for presenting any kind of language or explicit character that is disparaging, negative and bad.

b.mellow wrote:
And yet people want to come on here and argue about moral absolutes because we, in the year 2007 (a random number, anyways) believe we are at the zenith of intellectual thought and moral standing. Phooey!


We are all a little guilty of this. It is like we are a bunch of kids who are play acting. Each of us in turn respond with kudos or a harmless comment to passing posts and threads when I sometimes feel more controversy would make the forum a little bit more exciting.



Edited by Nihil Loc on 11/18/07 - 5:51 PM
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It feels Chistmassy.
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Posted 12/19/07 - 1:21 AM:

Here's some stuff I've drawn recently:

Portrait of my girlfriend for her birthday.



The Immortal Iron Fist: unfinished and more trouble than it was worth.



Just messing around the other day - swirly evil shit is fun drawing.

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