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Posted 04/06/07 - 8:47 AM:
Subject: When you dream about flying...
Here is a feel-good story about a little boy who wanted to fly

... and did...

http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/article/198171

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Posted 04/09/07 - 1:55 PM:

pretty cool link..........always wanted to fly myself.
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Posted 04/09/07 - 5:42 PM:

When I was a child and up until my late teens I had a recurring dream in which I could fly, always over fields of tall grasses and flowers... the sensation was always highly pleasurable and I always regretted waking up and finding myself in my bed...

... I haven't had the dream in about 20 years... hmm

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Posted 04/09/07 - 6:26 PM:

Rudi wrote:


... I haven't had the dream in about 20 years... hmm

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Why do you think that is?
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Posted 04/10/07 - 11:01 AM:

pixi wrote:

Why do you think that is?



Pixi:

I don't know... maybe it's a symptom of hopeful youth and innocence gone... maybe I just don't remember how... the land of dreams hides many mysteries.

Have you ever dreamt you could fly?

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Posted 04/10/07 - 4:02 PM:

Rudi wrote:

Have you ever dreamt you could fly?

O yes!! I used to fly in my dreams all the time. I guess its been a number of years since I've had the dream. When I was younger I used to wake up and feel like I remembered how to do it...though it never proved successful. hmm Like you, I used to fly over beautiful open areas. The other recurring thing in my dreams is that I cannot run. That one still exists, feels like I'm under water or gravity has drastically increased. Dreaming is such an interesting topic. I often wonder how much one's dreams identify with the subconscious mind, symbolism, or the future. Have you heard of or do you know much about lucid dreaming?
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Posted 04/10/07 - 5:34 PM:

hi pixi, welcome smiling face

i've studied dream interpretation for a number of years, so if you're ever interested in getting a dream (or dreams) interpreted, feel free to post them in a new topic here in the dust bunnies forum, or send me a private message if you prefer (that's an open offer for everyone! please be sure to include as many details as you can remember, including how events in the dream made you feel, when you had the dream, whether it's a recurring dream, and if so, how often).

i've had some occasional lucid dreams as well as some flying dreams. (if i may interject) wikipedia has some links to a number of interesting articles. in one study it was shown that teaching people to lucid dream helped reduce their nightmares.

dreams are totally fascinating to me.

lib

p.s. that article was very cool
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Posted 04/11/07 - 8:29 AM:

pixi wrote:
The other recurring thing in my dreams is that I cannot run. That one still exists, feels like I'm under water or gravity has drastically increased.


Could you be more specific about how it felt? I ask because I have had dreams (and still do sometimes) in which I cannot run... I try to move my legs, I feel the effort, but my legs just don't seem to move quickly enough, also as if something was weighing them down. I always feel highly frustrated in these dreams.

I wonder if there are dreams that are common to people; in other words, dreams with universal significance and that are somehow hard-wired into our species.

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Posted 04/11/07 - 8:30 AM:

Lib,

Is there a general interpretation for flying dreams?

By the way, Lib/pixi, was is lucid dreaming?

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Posted 04/11/07 - 1:26 PM:

Rudi,

A lucid dream is a dream state during which the dreamr achieves full or near full awareness akin to waking awareness. The dreamr in effect 'wakes up' and realizes hirmself as being in a dream state. This enables the dreamr to take advantage of the virtual world and deliberately direct the events of the dream. There are many spiritual techniques and significances associatd with this state. Plus, its a wondr when it happns to you! PPL can learn to initiate a lucid dream through directd focus, meditation, and so on.

As far as I know, there are some theories about the 'general' significance of flying dreams. Usually these have spiritual significance, relating to letting go, achieving highr state of being, etc.

But the most straightforward intepretation is that the flying is real--real for your astral body anyway! Why can you fly in dreams? Cause your astral form, or 'dream body' is entirely virtual or strictly energy, or only the subtlest form of mattr, and isnt much impactd by planetary gravitation. Or is, but only slightly, like light.

Ive had lots of flying dreams. Sometimes I will myself to float, by realizing that theres no reason for me not too, especially in a dream environmnt. Othr times its just a natural place to find myself. Intrstingly, Ive oftn felt the pull of gravity in these situations, and as my focus (or lack of focus) diminishes, I start getting 'heavier' and sinking towards earth. Who cannot see the spiritual parallel there?

Dreams of slowitude are common too. Perhaps rootd in a genetic response to avoid predators, or past experience of being ovrcome by them? Also, since the dream body is an astral form, running is more challenging when one realizes one is in that form. If you are floating, moving legs to run is pointless, aftrall.

More intrsting for me are dreams of the future.

I have these on a regular basis, ovr time. What I mean by this is that in some particular momnt I will have a deja vu feeling and recognize some feature of my present phenomenal experience as familiar, a pattrn that is repeatd, one that Ive seen before. In the case where I have dreamd this scenario, Im able to identify it as such, because I remembr having dreamt it 'before'--though when I usually cant say--somewhere in the deepest depths of nightly excursions.

I usually take this as a sign that Im moving along the right path, the path of being me. Why not? In fact Im experiencing a correspondence of myself through time. The dream state reveals conditions that, relative to the sleepr of the time, are merely possible, and then the waking state confirms this possibility and unites a kind of intention and path through temporal locations. So Im not just the 'me of the momnt' aftrall--Im the me that was there and am here. How else could I remembr a thing?

cheers,

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Posted 04/11/07 - 1:52 PM:

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More intrsting for me are dreams of the future.

I have these on a regular basis, ovr time. What I mean by this is that in some particular momnt I will have a deja vu feeling and recognize some feature of my present phenomenal experience as familiar, a pattrn that is repeatd, one that Ive seen before. In the case where I have dreamd this scenario, Im able to identify it as such, because I remembr having dreamt it 'before'--though when I usually cant say--somewhere in the deepest depths of nightly excursions.



This reminds me of recurring dreams (which for me are most often repeating nightmares) in which I sense that I have been in that situation before and have seen these things before (deja-vu), but yet I cannot alter their progression; they will nonetheless happen. Interestingly enough, even though I know (or sense I know) what is going to happen I am still nonetheless terrified to the same extent every time by it. For me, this pattern was decidedly broken when once in this recurring nightmare instead of running away from what wanted me I turned towards it and ran against it. It is at this point that I woke up. Now, whenever I come across this dream, I always stand up and running at my fear; and I always end up waking up before I actually make contact. raised eyebrow

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Posted 04/11/07 - 3:46 PM:

This process is a run-through for the transition through the bardo stages of the aftrlife, where, according to Tibetian Buddhism, we face off against all our fears etc, manifest as demons and so on. Retaining presence of mind can ground one in the absolute of absolute existence, and dissipate these fantasms.

I find running towards the feard thing can also be a trick to spark a lucid dream momnt, if one realizes, this is just a dream, and there is nothing to fear.

I had a couple recurring dreams as a kid. Its an intrsting topic. More intrsting are dreams with continuity to othr dreams. I oftn have dreams that continue where othrs left off, and I dont remembr the original or preceeding series until the continuation begins, then it all comes back.

I guess the question here, for both these types of dreams, future dreams, deja vus, is whethr we are actually remembring experiences or virtually remembring them. Because the sensation of remembrance is very distinct. But as is common knowledge, memory is tricky, and ppl can 'remembr' things that did not in reality happn.

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Posted 04/13/07 - 11:04 AM:

Rudi wrote:

Could you be more specific about how it felt? I ask because I have had dreams (and still do sometimes) in which I cannot run... I try to move my legs, I feel the effort, but my legs just don't seem to move quickly enough, also as if something was weighing them down. I always feel highly frustrated in these dreams.

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It seems that it happens at any point. I can be running away out of fear, racing someone for fun, or just trying to get somewhere fast. As I start out my legs take the big first step getting ready to pick up speed. I keep trying to push against the earth with more force as I move each leg forward. The more I struggle the worse it gets. Before long I'm on my knees, feeling like my normally strong legs have become weak. I end up in the crawling position trying to grab the ground to get some leverage to move forward. I never usually remember things from dream to dream while I'm dreaming, but whenever this happens I get this feeling like I should've known that I can't run. It makes me feel sort of ashamed, like I've tried to do something I shouldn't have. These dreams have happened quite often, though I've never really thought about or spoken about them. I think I'll try to see if maybe there is something in my life that influences these dreams when they happen. Any thoughts Lib?
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Posted 04/13/07 - 11:09 AM:

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I guess the question here, for both these types of dreams, future dreams, deja vus, is whethr we are actually remembring experiences or virtually remembring them. Because the sensation of remembrance is very distinct. But as is common knowledge, memory is tricky, and ppl can 'remembr' things that did not in reality happn.

I've often wondered that about deja vu...........is it an actual memory? Or possibly just my mind being brought to a similar place that reminds me of some previous thought or dream, causing my mind to bring up feelings of having been here before. (am I making any sense?) On a few occassions, I've been able to remember what comes next. Sometimes it happens and other times it does not. Again, this is something that I never really gave much thought to, though it is a fascinating subject.
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pixi wrote:

I've often wondered that about deja vu...........is it an actual memory? Or possibly just my mind being brought to a similar place that reminds me of some previous thought or dream, causing my mind to bring up feelings of having been here before. (am I making any sense?) On a few occassions, I've been able to remember what comes next. Sometimes it happens and other times it does not. Again, this is something that I never really gave much thought to, though it is a fascinating subject.


The experience of deja vu is very distinct. Its the same experience you get when you watch a movie you didnt think youd seen, then realize that yes, you have seem it before. Its not necessarily a momnt of 'remembring', like when 'I remembr back in '82...', but more of a momnt of recognizing, which is why it is so distinct. When we recognize something theres a momnt of accute awareness, a 'spike' if you will, that indicates an intuitive identification of a familiar pattrn. The same thing happns when we realize the answr to a problem or riddle.

Now, its been my experience that deja vus happn at very odd momnts, mundane momnts, and moreovr, that when we look at them rationally, we see that they are also unique momnts, not mere repetitions of events. Sure we stand in front of the mirror to brush our teeth daily, but we dont get a deja vu feeling. When we do, its clearly a diffrnt kind of awareness.

ANd what is the triggr for this feeling?

Its hard to say. Its like the onset of a drug--sublte and difficult to isolate. It could be words someone speaks, or an action, or a sight, sound. Whatevr the triggr, the result is the same--we recognize the totality of events at that momnt as being familiar, repeatd, a sequence already experiencd.

Recently I had a brief deja experience. It reminded me of a memory of a dream I had playing a video game. Now, this dream happnd probably a year or two ago, before this game system evn existd. At the time, the dream was an ambiguous dream, but now it seems to resonate through time with the actuality of my present experience.

What do we really do in dreamland? Are we exploring possible universes, alternate timelines? Or are we exploring our own faint memories of our past, present, and future, mixing them all into a dream picture?

Considr this. If 'now' is the only true existence, yet we carry with us a past and project a future, we, as points of consciousness, are extended in time. Why, then, should we not be able, within our own extension, which is our temporal body, be privy to events happning within the scope of our past and future?

Anothr idea. The strength of the deja vu is basd on the numbr of times one has experiencd it. That is, these points represent 'reset' points in our timeline, points where we get our bearings, as it were. Perhaps we jump between times, returning to some to repeat the experiences or make 'diffrnt' choices. Of course, it all seems like a linear progression to us.

Anothr option is that deja vu is just a random occurence where the brain, for some reason, produces the recognition feeling for a global event--a misfire or something. Howevr, that doesnt seem to make sense, givn the type of example I state above, where a dream is remembrd as the source of 'seeing' this event before.

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Posted 04/13/07 - 1:39 PM:

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I should've known that I can't run. It makes me feel sort of ashamed, like I've tried to do something I shouldn't have.



This part resonates with me as I have had similar feelings when this happens... asking myself, "why can't I do this?" and "what's wrong with me?". Could it be a venting of some feeling of inadequacy? It would seem to make sense, but maybe it is deeper than that. And, if there is a feeling of inadequacy involved, I wonder how one might go about discovering its source or cause?

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Posted 04/16/07 - 2:29 AM:

The 'can not run' dream may be merely that you can not run whilst lying in a bed with bed covers on you. That is, it is a literal experience drawn into the dream. I used to have that experience, and it usually ended with my partner waking me and telling me to stop kicking! blush

Having said that, I think there is more than just 'something' to the Native American (and Native Australian) belief that a lucid dream can be a vision of future events... eek
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