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waechter418
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Posted 08/30/17 - 11:18 AM:
Subject: Self-liberation
Liberation from the confines of mind, has been tried for at least two millennia, and proven to be a Sisyphean task, as the respective undertakings tend to add to the complexity of mind.
Since the beginning of the twentieth century, mind is apparently able to liberate itself through Self-realisation.
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Posted 08/31/17 - 10:28 AM:

Since the beginning of the twentieth century, mind is apparently able to liberate itself through Self-realisation.


What is the source/basis of your observation if I may ask?

Based on what I've read on liberation and experienced myself--mind can't liberate itself because whatever it does or doesn't do leads to its continuity. People who have claimed enlightenment tell about a process which is akin to complete destruction of mind leading to liberation. In other words mind can't commit suicide and it can't liberate itself because it's the very thing causing obstruction to liberation. The enlightened sages claim to have a mind which is different from personality-based mind--it's rooted in identity and it's needed to look after the body until it lasts.

Personally I feel chasing enlightenment/liberation/lasting bliss is a kind of trap created by energy(totality/absolute) to lure ego. Ego considers enlightenment to be another thing among things to be achieved and imagines it to be something of this world like other objects and states. A rough example would be experience of sexual sensation---ego takes its idea of bliss from such experiences and multiplies it infinite times and that is posted as a goal to be achieved. Pleasure is limited in time and space because apparatus used to experience it is limited, therefore no such thing as everlasting pleasure exists. Mental states follow each other in an endless succession. Thus in the pursuit of bliss superficial activity seems to impress as ego's conquest of enlightenment whereas the real thing happening is energy's activity on some subtle organs which carry profound impressions responsible for thoughts(mind). This activity obliterates mind which had created a veil of separation. Energy was, and it remains as veil is severed.

I feel there is scope for being misunderstood but in my experience no matter what anyone does or doesn't has nothing to do with liberation if any such thing exists. Thinkers like U.G. Krishnamurti also believed this. I have personally found it to be true. It's mostly reactions by the sinking ego which are taken to be spiritual activities by most people. Energy operates at a profound depth and often doings of mind become obstruction instead of supporting liberation. It's only in the final stages of liberation that complete surrender seems to happen as energy takes over ego. That's why you find so many cases where people who talk about enlightenment were not looking for it--they didn't meditate, pray or read spiritual texts until after having undergone a profound experience which obliterated their personalities altogether.


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Posted 09/04/17 - 2:31 PM:

As a great admirer of Buddhist philosophy & cosmology, I appreciate your lucid interpretation of mind.
I obviously didn´t make it clear, but I do not propose to get rid of mind, but to liberate it, in order to be able to unfold its tremendous potential, which might not reach the bliss of the enlightened, but has nevertheless – and despite all the restrictions woven into its fabric – proven to be “great enough to pervade the whole universe” (Sixth patriarch).
If you would place your text in the thread “Enlightenment” we will be able to exchange our respective ideas, and to lure “Theodoc” to contribute his.
Meanwhile I am going to explore the possibilities of Self-realisation and subject the Couch-crowd to it.
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Posted 09/05/17 - 2:40 AM:

I understand your ideas better now. Still you didn't answer my question about your statement regarding twentieth century paradigm.
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Posted 09/05/17 - 10:10 AM:

In 1904 appeared “Liber al vel Legis” – to my knowledge, the first interactive guide of/into mind - i.e. Self

www.sacred-texts.com/oto/engccxx.htm
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Posted 09/08/17 - 3:17 PM:

Mind accumulates and transforms external/internal events - Self is the core of Mind
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Posted 09/10/17 - 5:42 PM:

Mind should be at liberty to do as it will – will is the force of Self
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Posted 09/20/17 - 11:45 AM:

Mind is not something strange; it might be treated strangely, and even be mistreated, but these are symptoms of self-estrangement - after all mind is one-self.
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Posted 10/01/17 - 12:56 PM:

Mind becomes vulnerable when infiltrated by collective morals & taboos and subjected to social & religious laws, since they are largely motivated by fear- an emotion definitely to be gotten rid of, as fear strangles the mind.
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