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libertygrl
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Posted 06/01/16 - 4:23 PM:
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Is a pluralistic global society possible? Or is violence ever hard wired into human nature?

If world peace is possible, will it come about through an evolution of ideology, or will we simply biologically mature enough to grow tired of fighting?

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Posted 06/02/16 - 8:13 AM:

Why is it 'immature' to fight?

Living entails struggle, violence...remove the struggle and you're in the grave.
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Posted 06/03/16 - 11:53 PM:

libertygrl wrote:
Is a pluralistic global society possible? Or is violence ever hard wired into human nature?

If world peace is possible, will it come about through an evolution of ideology, or will we simply biologically mature enough to grow tired of fighting?

Thoughts?



Hello Lib!

What we call violence is indeed struggle for existence in the most crude form in my opinion. Organisms of even most non-violent of sages like Buddha or Gandhi have to kill innumerable other organisms everyday in order to survive. Here, by violence I suppose harm done to any organism intentionally or unintentionally. I understand that you might have started with the definition of violence as 'harm done intentionally.'

It's impossible to have an organism which doesn't kill any other organism at all. Life and death are laws and struggle is a must. However humans can live civilized life where violence is a minimum. At present violence seems hard-wired into human nature. World peace, if it ever comes-will be a temporary phase. There is bound to be a play between darkness and light, yin and yang because this seems to be the law of this universe(law of opposites). There can't be permanent harmony in my opinion neither there can be permanent peace.

As is evident from studies in last few decades--meditation seems to change brain cells and physiology--I think changes in biology(evolution) and ideology will go hand-in-hand. Many thinkers believe that individuals like Einstein, Gandhi or Buddha are prototypes in humanity. Currently we see 1 out of million persons with such remarkable wisdom but in future, if humanity keeps evolving(minus nuclear wars, natural catastrophes and so on) it will be the norm.



Why is it 'immature' to fight?



Living entails struggle, violence...remove the struggle and you're in the grave.


Hello Henry!smiling face

Edited by Thinker13 on 06/04/16 - 12:02 AM
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Posted 06/04/16 - 10:54 AM:

well first of all as you must know daddy bush long ago spoke of the setting up of a NEW WORLD ORDER ND HE SAID IT WILL BE SET UP the presidents that followed him all played their part in the setting up of this NEW WORLD ORDER until the setting up of this new sydtem ofvworld government all that obstructs the setting upof this new system of world government must be REMOVED this means war after war until what is sought must be achieved , for the past 6,000 years we have had nothing wars and so it will continue until one comes who is powerful enough to stop this madness . nod
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Posted 06/04/16 - 11:48 AM:

below is one of the reasons why we have had no lasting peace in the last several decades ,its not the only reason but it set the goal for the presidents that followed bush senior


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxeOG_pZ1o
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Posted 06/06/16 - 8:48 AM:

Hey, Thinker, Sun.

The bar is open...drink up.
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Posted 06/06/16 - 11:28 AM:
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henry quirk wrote:
Hey, Thinker, Sun.

The bar is open...drink up.


ill have what your having henry...cheers thumb up
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Posted 06/10/16 - 5:26 PM:

Interesting thoughts fellows and Thinker I agree with your observations thumb up

henry, maturation as best I can tell seems to be a process of getting tired of stuff. Just wondering if people will get tired of violence on a broad scale day someday. Entropy seems to dictate that they would.
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Posted 06/11/16 - 3:09 AM:

When do you define world peace as achieved? Complete elimination of violence seems improbable, but war prevention or at least direct large scale war prevention is quite possible. I'd go as far as to say that it's probable, eventually, because of deepening economic ties. The more tightly economically integrated countries are, the less they're willing to consider war (at least if they're run by rational actors). There will likely never be another war between the US, Canada and Mexico because it's bad for business. Likewise for most of Europe.
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Posted 06/12/16 - 4:36 AM:
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libertygrl wrote:
Interesting thoughts fellows and Thinker I agree with your observations thumb up

henry, maturation as best I can tell seems to be a process of getting tired of stuff. Just wondering if people will get tired of violence on a broad scale day someday. Entropy seems to dictate that they would.


hello lib respects to you zen.. ..well mankind has not yet achieved long lasting peace on a broad scale and as long as the human race continues to produce people like HITLER ..ISIS .and all the other dictators throughout history there will never be peace ....hope you are well thumb up
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Posted 06/12/16 - 5:22 AM:

QUOTE PAUL.... it's bad for business. Likewise for most of Eurooe...

I think the thousands of arm industries throughout the world would disagree with you Paul, they are doing very well selling their latest tech weapons to any country involved in a war with their neighbour ...war is good business for the arms industries ...hope you are well Paul have a good day *peace*

Edited by SUNLIGHT on 06/12/16 - 9:03 AM
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Posted 06/13/16 - 10:06 AM:

Lib,

Man will never tire of violence...we're bred for it.
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Posted 06/17/16 - 9:58 AM:

One could imagine world peace as the ideal solution to the overused cliché, "can't we all get along?" A version of imaginary world peace that might be cool is one where humanity is already considered one big happy family. For instance, everyone would already be friends with everyone else on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. It would be like a worldwide street gang, only our ties would be based on humanity's survival, not street survival. The gang sign would be the "peace sign" and everyone would flash it proudly in all our selfies and candid photos.

The End.

*peace*
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Posted 06/30/16 - 3:39 PM:

Paul wrote:
When do you define world peace as achieved? Complete elimination of violence seems improbable, but war prevention or at least direct large scale war prevention is quite possible. I'd go as far as to say that it's probable, eventually, because of deepening economic ties. The more tightly economically integrated countries are, the less they're willing to consider war (at least if they're run by rational actors). There will likely never be another war between the US, Canada and Mexico because it's bad for business. Likewise for most of Europe.


I hope you're right. thumb up

I agree that complete elimination of violence is improbable. Unless we're talking about a society completely devoid of any passion for anything, some degree of violent crime is certainly inevitable.

But yes, mainly I mean war between countries, or genocide.

Edited by libertygrl on 06/30/16 - 3:47 PM
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Posted 06/30/16 - 3:51 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
Lib,

Man will never tire of violence...we're bred for it.

If a man craves violence he could always take up boxing?
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PattieKake wrote:
One could imagine world peace as the ideal solution to the overused cliché, "can't we all get along?" A version of imaginary world peace that might be cool is one where humanity is already considered one big happy family. For instance, everyone would already be friends with everyone else on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. It would be like a worldwide street gang, only our ties would be based on humanity's survival, not street survival. The gang sign would be the "peace sign" and everyone would flash it proudly in all our selfies and candid photos.

The End.

peace

Sounds good to me Pattie but even as a pacifist and an idealist it seems highly unlikely zen
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hello lib respects to you zen.. ..well mankind has not yet achieved long lasting peace on a broad scale and as long as the human race continues to produce people like HITLER ..ISIS .and all the other dictators throughout history there will never be peace ....hope you are well thumb up

Thank you Sunlight, I hope you're well as well
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Posted 07/01/16 - 8:40 AM:

"he could always take up boxing"

Mebbe...not as satisfying as war, though.
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Posted 07/02/16 - 2:18 PM:

Yes pummeling another person with gloves on is not nearly as satisfying, to some people, as shooting another person. Yet it has been discovered that there is a reluctance of even a trained soldier to shoot another person. So a person wearing a full face mask would be easier to kill than shooting a person whose face was exposed. Someone was analyzing the Star Wars movie and observed that it seemed easier for a rebel to shoot a storm trooper than vice versa, (script writers be damned). And the reason given was that the storm trooper was wearing a full face shield that covered the face and the rebel was only wearing a clear shield that left the face exposed. It seems that shooting a person is more difficult that shooting something that does not look like a person.
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Posted 07/03/16 - 11:33 AM:

Oh, you don't have to go as far shooting...taking a baseball bat or a utillity knife to the other is just fine...and probably more fair all around.

Of course, if you're dander is up fairness is probably not in your top ten list of things to worry about it.
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Posted 07/03/16 - 11:24 PM:

if I were thinking about eliminating someone from the gene pool, fairness would not be high on my list.
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