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Posted 07/12/06 - 3:55 AM:
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Hi folks,

I've noticed that we each have some kind of life energy within us, and that this varies from one person to another and also with age, lifestyle and stuff.

My own life energy has changed in quite a pronounced way a couple of times in my life, demanding a change of pace. Sometimes I have had lots of energy, sometimes little. Sometimes we use it freely, sometimes we need to conserve it.

One way of feeling another persons energy is to be close to them, maybe on a vacation, and getting a sense of their daily patterns. These vary enormously, with some people bounding out of bed at 6am and others lazing around all day.

There are energetic older people, and those who can barely walk on the street; there are energetic kids and listless ones.

All sorts of factors effect us, but my belief is that strong life energy can surmount big obstacles and weak life energy leaves us hanging.

A big drain on our energy is drink and drugs, I guess, as you can see people going down in front of your eyes when they are badly hooked.

My question? How do feel about your own life energy, and what big changes have you felt in the flow at different times of your life?

What's your booster? What drains you?

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Posted 07/12/06 - 9:58 AM:

hi e., this is a great topic; something i've been thinking about a lot lately.

off the top of my head, good music is a good energy booster for me. some of my favorite songs are what i call "will to live" songs, meaning they give me the will to live. a good movie or a good story will also have that effect on me.

whenever i have opportunity to witness sincere kindness and love, it boosts my energy. anything that restores my faith, boosts my energy.

one energy drain in particular that i'm dealing with right now has to do with some time i've been spending recently with some people i work with. as some of you may know, i used to do a lot of drugs so i was heavily submersed in drug culture for a number of years. now that i'm sober, i'm finding that i need to adapt my social situation to my new lifestyle, as i'm not well equipped anymore for staying up all night and partying all weekend, etc.

so i've been trying to cultivate some friendships with the people i work with but i'm having a terrible time of it because the cultural ideals are entirely different (i'm finding i'm better suited for counter-culture than mainstream). hanging around people who are persistently concerned with counting calories and how much they weigh and how physically "ugly" or "beautiful" other women are, etc, is completely exhausting for me. sometimes i just want to scream at them "none of that matters!!!". part of me feels like we'll have opportunities to help each other grow as time goes by, so i keep sticking it out. in fairness, i do recognize some emotional and spiritual sensitivity there underneath the cultural conditioning, otherwise i wouldn't hang around them at all.

in any case, being exposed to that kind of superficiality (in any context) is a big drain. hmm
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Posted 07/12/06 - 11:40 AM:

OTOH, its terribly romantic to be an artist with substance issues--the drinking writr, the doping paintr. If life has dealt them a poor hand the drugs make it all the more pityable and remarkable if and when they produce something of significance. If life has been othrwise kind to them, the self-imposd limitations show the person to be an individual with individual values acting against the grain, countr-culture, and the work thereby producd is also appealing if it has edge.

Life energy is definitely relatd to healthy living habits. Good food, good exercise, good thoughts--all the eightfold path, in fact. It is possible to directly cultivate this energy, so that anyone in any state can achieve a fullr sense of well-being from the core outward. Whenevr I realize myself as moving into the future down some determinate path, I always come back to my need to engage in TaiChi practice, since I have experiencd some benefit from it, and would find more with concertd practice (which, for some reason, seems problematic for me to get startd with). The TaiChi itself represents being centrd and focussd on the right path because it offrs the hope of finding a deep relaxation, and when that arises I know I will more easily be able to see where Im at and where Im going.

Some music pumps me up, and there are a numbr of albums in my collection that I return to for happiness and meloncholy, and each of these give me a deep sense of being, such that I wish I could, like Bjork, go to a mountaintop with a radio and good batteries and play a giant tune to free the human race. Of course, not evryone feels the same way I do about these songs wink

More so I find things like being in the wilderness (or semi-urban, semi-rual wild) breathing fresh air to be invigorating. I find myself sitting in the tall golden grass in a gentle breeze regarding a placid lake.

Activities that give me that life rush are rollerblading, longboarding, sometimes mountain biking.

But basically, its all about realizing yourself in your situation, as a fluxation of elements moving towards a something that youre certain is merely the expression of your essence. Thats where I find life energy.

What drains me is my angr, frustration, and various lusts. These all detract, but are seemingly irresistable. Actually, Im not sure they hold me back, since they seem to produce equal amounts of vigorous energy, especially the angr. But I guess its not the kind that I want, recognizing as I do that such energy is much more quickly expended and exhaustd, and I desire a long and lengthy life tour. wink

The othr main life energy boost is having good times through laughtr with my family. You just cant beat it.

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Posted 07/12/06 - 4:40 PM:

Wow great thread
Midnight_Monk wrote:
But basically, its all about realizing yourself in your situation, as a fluxation of elements moving towards a something that youre certain is merely the expression of your essence. Thats where I find life energy.


That’s beautiful man.

I am afraid to show how simple minded I am by answering these questions.
I would know where to begin in answering the first question but I wouldn’t know where to end it so I will spare you the entire epic saga.

My booster is in understanding just about anything and of course in being understood by anyone else. In my life there may be nothing more important than personal and social communication no matter how bad I am at it.
My drain is in enduring corrupting and dissenting information that would destroy the possibilities of clear communication between me and the others that I seek to experience.


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Posted 07/12/06 - 5:12 PM:

Iammy, those are great points. It is very true, I think probably universal, that we get a 'boost' when our signals are receivd, translated, interpretd, and rebounded back to us in a recognizable form. We connect with othrs through common shard undrstandings. Indeed, your boost is essential to all social discourse, which, according to some, is really the foundation of human reality. This life is, aftrall, an ongoing narrative.

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Posted 07/12/06 - 11:24 PM:

Yeah the unexpected can be refreshing and validating when embrased.
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Posted 07/13/06 - 3:04 AM:

Lib,

Two points in your post.

1. Music - right on. I fixed up an old record player and I'm listening to some stuff from my youth (I know - long ago!) I'm listening to James Taylor, Joan Baez, Carly Simon, Cat Stevens, Joan Armatrading, Paul Simon ............ It's the upbeat numbers, the foot tappers, that really lighten me up. I'm not much on nostalgia, but I've fallen for it this time! They inform my own writing and songs too. Funny, my daughter and her friends are into all these artists, and they even dress like them. It's the 60s revisited. Weird.

2. Straight types - alternative types. I sympathise so much with you about this. It is impossible to overestimate the difference between straights and us.

But, we can't party for ever. Then what? When I take the guitar out, there is always booze around and I can't handle booze any more, never mind weed or anything stronger. I'm a milksop, but I don't want to hang around with the straights.

I went to this university thing for early retired academic types. Never again! They were so boring! They were the ones who had been boring goody goodies at school, boring in their jobs, boring in middle years, and now they were still boring. Boring . Boring.

One ray of light, as you mention MM, is alternative therapy. There are quite a few cleaned up ravers doing the therapy scene. I'm having some tomorrow. That might help with the energy level.

My advice? Don't go too deep with those office types, just keep it superficial unless you meet someone who clicks with you. The strain of pretending to be interested is too much - Yawn - Borin...................... Snooze.

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Posted 07/13/06 - 5:43 AM:

Midnight_Monk wrote:
What drains me is my angr, frustration, and various lusts. These all detract, but are seemingly irresistable. Actually, Im not sure they hold me back, since they seem to produce equal amounts of vigorous energy, especially the angr. But I guess its not the kind that I want, recognizing as I do that such energy is much more quickly expended and exhaustd, and I desire a long and lengthy life tour. wink

The othr main life energy boost is having good times through laughtr with my family. You just cant beat it. cheers, 8)


MM, Yes, anger does provide energy, and it can take you through almost anything in a really bad way. I often think that anger is the survivors last trick, before acceptance sets in, if it ever does!

There is powerful energy on the dark side, as we know.

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Posted 07/13/06 - 9:38 AM:

e. wrote:
My advice? Don't go too deep with those office types, just keep it superficial unless you meet someone who clicks with you. The strain of pretending to be interested is too much - Yawn - Borin...................... Snooze.

hi e.,

thanks for the good advice.

cheers,
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Posted 07/13/06 - 10:25 AM:

It seems that with both the light and dark sides there are both healthy and unhealthy experiences to be had. That there is validation to be had of our essences through our experiences and in keeping with our natural world there are pit falls and traps to challenge our strengths. In our human cases our intelligence within our human conditions.
I like to think about these challenges each in terms of opportunities for seductions designed to challenge the health of the relationship between the voices of our essences (inner voices or sensibilities) and our outwardly apparent selves.

Like if you allow your anger to effect more than is appropriate, you may in tern effect something adversely. We can be seduced by the very good its power through some concept that has you to carry it on to the inappropriate and out of its natural balance in your scheme of things. There are endless examples I hope that one made sense.
I think this type of dynamic directly affects my energy levels at every moment of my living.
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Posted 07/13/06 - 12:03 PM:

IammyaspectofUs wrote:

Like if you allow your anger to effect more than is appropriate, you may in tern effect something adversely. We can be seduced by the very good its power through some concept that has you to carry it on to the inappropriate and out of its natural balance in your scheme of things. There are endless examples I hope that one made sense.
I think this type of dynamic directly affects my energy levels at every moment of my living.


Hi Iam,

Gosh, your thinking goes deep sometimes, but be assured that I never lose track of what you are saying, and I can always find fruitful stuff in your words. Just wanted you to know that.

Yes, we can use anger to deal with challenges in life, like injustice or a personal tragedy, but as you say, it tends to carry on and can get 'inappropriate'. I've had to do a lot of work on this in myself, and the old demon still pops up now and then.

I am almost certain that a permanently angry person is a sick person, and I have known a few, both men and women.

Cheers, e - passive (but not aggressive!)

PS - I was talking to someone in 3d the other day about this. I said, 'I can get very wobbly, but I'm not mean.' They said - 'No, you're not'. Gosh, that meant so much to me, just her saying that. Validation.


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Posted 07/13/06 - 4:32 PM:

I don't have a lot of new info on the "life energy" thing... I'm very indepedent, so I'm most productive when I'm left to work on projects that I take up independently, and get personally invested in.

I'm going to start a new thread on the "productivity of anger" issue. I'm afraid if I post here it'll go way off topic.
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Posted 07/13/06 - 4:55 PM:

e wrote:
Hi Iam,

Gosh, your thinking goes deep sometimes, but be assured that I never lose track of what you are saying, and I can always find fruitful stuff in your words. Just wanted you to know that.


Thank you e. Let me assure you, I will take that a long way.

From day one we build ourselves on what is validated and affirmed in each of us by our families and societies.
In order to find a suitable way to live, I, as have most others been forced to learn better things and ways to validate rather than what was initially offered me in many respects. And I find these “things” in the examples of others like you. I make a lot of my own validation from scratch now that I’m a big boy with long pants, but I thinik I will always need help in getting better at it. Just like traders from far off and strange lands you bring new riches that create new wealth and happiness in my land. I think your kindness will stay with me forever and is a part of me and my personal culter now. And I don’t care what anyone says about you!
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ps I know that was all mushy but I truely am honored

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Posted 07/14/06 - 12:33 PM:

Thinking about draining forces...

I think for me the biggest drain is the melancholy that creeps up on me from time to time, typically enhanced by a hopeless appraisal of my life and situation or a dose of regret about events of the past. Stress contributes to this feeling, sometimes initiating the cycle. As a drain it leaves me in apathy about virtually evrything or passive acceptance of some tragically romantic fate (such as I conjure up).

Depression is the major drain for me.

Dont really know where it comes from. Again, I think theres a genetic component as there is a theme running through the family on my mom's side. Not enough vitamins I guess! wink

Then again, sometimes I revel in depression, to the extent one can revel in it. In a strange way it is comforting and familiar, and then I enjoy drinking rye and listning to depressing nostalgic music. And, strangely, sometimes this state is accompanied by a perfect sense of security that alls right with the world and despite myself I am doing extremely well. I see the blessings, yet from the position of depression, which is quite liberating, actualy.

But Im more likely to fly into a rage because my computer isnt doing what I want it to do then sit around in a dark room saying 'woe is me', lol.

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Posted 07/14/06 - 2:27 PM:

Now there are some healthy perceptions of the condition of depression. Thanks MM
The drug pushers have so hijacked the term in recent times that they have left me depressed about their ignorance and my lack ability to help them see the light in the darkness.

When we get a cold or a disease we can treat the symptoms and try and wait it out, or we can do nothing and wait it out, or we can be brave and seek to understand the dis-ease and seek to find correction of our natural conditions and the healing of our natural conditions.

Often the same answers apply to the highs as to the lows but we only label the lows as problematic.
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Posted 07/15/06 - 3:04 AM:

Midnight_Monk wrote:
and then I enjoy drinking rye and listning to depressing nostalgic music. 8)


Yeh, I do that as well. In my case it's single malt. We may even have done it at the same time.

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PS - I had a Japanese language student and friend. When he went back to Japan he used to do the whisky and music thing, and then he would phone me up. Imagine a drunk Japanese guy phoning you in the middle of the night and getting all emotional in the very limited vocabulary that you had taught him! We understood each other, though. I haven't heard from him for a while.
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Posted 07/15/06 - 12:05 PM:

Delilah wrote -

"So it is clear to me that I have gained life energy by elimating things that had drained nearly every spec of life engery out of me".

Understood. I think that many of us couchees have been in that place. We find the level that we can manage at and hopefully build up from there.

I totally agree about young people. I look at a young person these days and I'm just glad that they are in the world,especially my own daughter! LOL

Cheers, e laughing

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Posted 07/17/06 - 11:28 AM:

Delilah,

OOPs! I edited your post instead of quoting from it. Clicked on the wrong icon.

I don't know how to get it back but maybe Lib can do it. Sorreeee rolling eyes

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Posted 07/17/06 - 12:59 PM:

hi e. don't feel bad, i did the exact same thing to nihil once. fortunately, at the time i was able to hit the "back" button on my browser so i could go back and copy his original text back into his post. unfortunately, once it's lost, it's lost. deleting posts can be reversed but editing them can't. sorry about that, d. confused

regarding your day at the beach, d, i love days like that, spending some time out in the sun with friends or family, coming to the end of the day saying to yourself "wow, that was a good day". so nice. i know what you mean, too - the vitality (and spontaneity) of youth is so contagious.
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Posted 07/17/06 - 2:11 PM:

Hey folks, any thoughts about the nature of disease as related to life energy? The two seem to have an ever-increasing relevance to each other depending on whom you talk to. Even the medical gods are giving over by force; to the forces that they would claim have little or no effect on their scientific processes meaning realistically and naturally, people and the older ways of healing.

Anyway, energy health = biological health, as a two directional distinction of possibly one thing, two things? What do you think?
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IammyaspectofUs wrote:
Hey folks, any thoughts about the nature of disease as related to life energy?


Hi Iam,

Most interesting. I am having some therapy at the moment, 'Bowen Therapy' and it has disturbed my 'illness' energy in a good way.

We'll talk more about this.

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Of course, traditional chinese medicine is all about impacting and modifying the flow of life energy in and around the body and environmnt to promote good, vibrant health and remove toxins and evil. Does it work? The westrn answr will be that in some instances it does, some instances it doesnt.

But, lets all be aware of the limits of pharmacological 'solutions' to illness. I wouldnt say its common knowledge or universally applicable, but, I think, there are numerous studies showing that some apparently 'powrful' drugs are as good or slightly more or less consistent at producing desired healthful results as placebos. If you believe it will help, it tends to help.

But why is this? What it suggests is that our thoughts, and ultimately our core selves, are not so much flesh and blood, dust to dust, as we in the west tend to think. We live admist a sea of swirling energies, and any movemnt in any direction impacts them all in some way, to some degree.

Howevr, if this is true, ie, if this represents reality as it is, youd think we'dv figurd out how to tap into this field and manipulate it to get a consistent result, viz health and well-being, rathr than a collection of sometimes spurious anecdotal reports. Or have we discovrd such a system? Or is this energy ocean resistant to systematic processing? That seems unlikely since it particpates in ordrly systematic processes, and, indeed, is what these processes reduce to.

The key lies in the triggr. We usually look for external triggrs to force things to follow a path we determine, rathr than looking for an internal triggr to urge things to follow a path we desire.

Its like the old joke, modified. Why did the electron go thru the right slit (and not the left one)? Because it felt like it. If all the universe participates in consciousness or the stuff of conscious energy at some fundamental level, then the manifestation of determinate outcomes and events in reality is basd on choice. If we choose to live in health and harmony, I think we stand a bettr chance of convincing the universe to play along.

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Posted 07/27/06 - 12:56 PM:

I think you hit on everything I would say too MM.
I really like that whole post.

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gee thnx takes a bowpeace

I, too, like the idea of all things being conscious and partaking of choices. I did once find this theory a little suspicious if not outrageous, but nowadays its got more appeal. And little wondr that it should have appeal for me, since one of my favorite metaphysics's comes from Leibniz, who theorizd that all existence is composd of points of consciousness, ie, monads. Its a wondr I nevr jumpd on this concept before.

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Delilah,

OOPs! I edited your post instead of quoting from it. Clicked on the wrong icon.

I don't know how to get it back but maybe Lib can do it. Sorreeee rolling eyes

Cheers,e

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