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MEDDIUMS AND PSYCHICS REAL OR FAKE ?
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Posted 11/06/15 - 5:06 PM:
Subject: MEDDIUMS AND PSYCHICS REAL OR FAKE ?
,it came to me to ask members opinions on this subject.
while posting to henry in dust bunnies about this subject..

is it all genuine or a deception ?

what do members think ?.
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Posted 11/06/15 - 5:20 PM:

I think they put on a very good and entertaining show, depending on their skill at reading an audience.
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Posted 11/07/15 - 4:54 AM:
Subject: MEDIUMS AND PSYCHICS REAL OR FAKE
I've touched on the subject before. I prefer the term "Paranormal Ability". My answer is Yes. For my part I believe everyone has some level of paranormal ability. I do not believe in Predestination. That the future is set in cement, and we have no choice in the matter. Our futures are changing on a daily basis, it's all in the choices we make, the course we follow TODAY. I am a believer simply because I have seen the future for people, including their past and their present circumstances, without any previous knowledge. I don't use Tarot Cards or any other gimmick. It is purely mental. Telling someone their past or present is easier than seeing their future. As for myself, I cannot turn it on or off at will. It could be classified as an altered state of awareness. Often people say "prove it." My answer is I don't have to prove anything. This is not some form of entertainment.
Any prediction I have ever given is for their good. An opportunity for change if they choose it for such.

YOU TELL ME?

A friend living in a very run down part of a major city had bought his grandmother's house. It was in the family for decades, and he had no plans to move. It was a two family home. The house on either side were empty, even squatters were using them. Their were even drug runners. While sitting in his living room, having a beer, I told him that within eighteen months an Arabic man with money would approach him and insist on buying his house for tens of thousands of dollars more than it was worth. He said I was crazy. IT HAPPENED EXACTLY AS I SAW IT. HE TOOK THE MONEY AND RAN.

Sitting in my parent's extremely large home in Florida, with my sister living in another state, I told my mother she and my father would be living up North in five years. My sister was not even living in that Northern state at the time of the prediction. I saw my mother in a large bedroom with French doors, and blue and red decorations. My sister later moved to that Northern state, added an additional bedroom, and decorated it in blue and red. Five years later, because of health reasons, my mother ended up living in that bedroom. The additional bedroom was paid for with my parent's money. IT HAPPENED EXACLY AS I SAW IT.

My best friend, an avid gambler in horse racing, and who dragged me to every track within a hundred miles, also saw his future come true. As for myself, when he would be betting big, I just sad and read the newspaper. I don't gamble, not even Lotto tickets. Never would I comment on his gambling problem. But one night while walking into the race track, I told him he would hit it big.
In the first two races he won six thousand dollars. IT HAPPENED AS I SAW IT.

One of the more strange predictions, was when two girls walked by me in a bar and I got a pick up on one of them. No pun intended,
It came as a flash. One of the girls was facing three job offers, and I could sense she didn't know which to pick. So I approached them asking which of you are facing three job openings. One girl said she was. She was going to go with the one with higher pay. I said your chances for advancement is near zero. I recommended a different one, lower pay, but with offers for advancement. I left them and went back to where I was sitting at the bar. I ran into her and her friend a year later. And she said she took my advice, is making more money, and is waiting for her second advancement, once an older lady retires in six months. IT HAPPENED AS I SAW IT.

Everyone is paranormal to some degree. Intuitions, haunches, a still small voice, listen to them. They could be your FUTURE speaking, guiding, directing, even protecting your life. And the stories could go on, and on.

Strangely, I rarely see the future for things pertaining to myself. And believe it or not I'm adverse to seeking out other people who claim to be paranormal. And I'm not seeking converts or believers.
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Posted 11/07/15 - 7:51 AM:

Thank you doc and metamorpha for your inputs clap

in my more innocent early years 35 yeas ago when my mother died I felt the need to consult a psychic medium about her .I gave the female psychic no details at all to work on ...she described my mother accurately and even gave her name in a figure type illustration, later the next day I contacted her again to question her about the moons north and south nodes which are said to show your past and future lives, she then revealed to me that the previous night before she had visited me in my sleep and tried to take my hand to lead me through hell but I refused to go with her shaking head,,,,it is very advisable to be careful who to try and contact as we don't fully know what or who we are contacting with .nod
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Posted 11/07/15 - 9:23 AM:
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Regardless of what people think regarding my post directly above yours SUNLIGHT, I want to go on record as stating I HAVE NEVER TRIED TO CONTACT THE DEAD, NOR DUE I WANT TO BE CONTACTED BY THE DEAD. My biggest curiosity about seeing the past, present, or future is this: Where is the information coming from? Is it just me and my paranormal ability, or is there some force, power, or entity just using me. I have NEVER received any compensation. If it is a gift, then a gift is to be shared, not sold. By the way I don't share everything. Certain revelations are never shared if I believe it could do harm. Also a person's mental health enters into the picture. Though I am well intentioned, some things are never shared with an individual. Also what I do share is held in strict confidentiality. When doing a group reading I often ask permission of the person.



Edited by Metamorpha on 11/07/15 - 10:50 AM. Reason: Spelling
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Posted 11/07/15 - 12:09 PM:

YES I agree METAMORPHA, regardless what people think what we say stands or falls to GOD not to peoples opinions on what we say nod
I had the same curiosity as you did as to where my ability to predict the future accurately months and days in advance came from , did it come from satan ordid it come from GOD
eventually I was persuaded that if I really wanted to know what the future held I was to study BIBLE PROPHECIES which came from GOD not from satan and so I gave up the study of astrologyand devoted my life to the study of the BIBLE and bible prophecy . now I have a good grasp of where we are today in GODS TIME PLAN for the world and the order of events yet to come according to BIBLE PROPHECY .
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Posted 11/07/15 - 12:15 PM:

Amos 3:7

King James Version
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets
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Posted 11/09/15 - 10:27 AM:

I think all claims of psychic or paranormal power or ability are rooted in a large, steaming, pile of poop.

Flim-flam artistry.
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Posted 11/09/15 - 1:35 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
I think all claims of psychic or paranormal power or ability are rooted in a large, steaming, pile of poop.

Flim-flam artistry.
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as in all walks of life henry there are fakes and liars and the name of the game is MONEY, throughout history there have been fake mediums and psychics ,you may remember that harry Houdini set out to prove that many mediums of his day were fakes and he exposed many fake mediums together with the tricks of their trade , today many people question the claims of mediums and psychics many of which are famous t.v personalities with their own programs on t.v and many have a lot of fans and believers , but there are many like yourself who see a problem with this , they think how do we know that what the medium says he is seeing or experiencing is true and their doubts are from past memories of the exposures of fake mediums .the mind set of many people is "if we cant see it then it does not exist BUT there a signals and energies passing by and through all of us at this moment that we are writing and reading that we cannot see or hear but are powerful enough to turn on our radios and televisions so how many more things are around us that our eyes and hearing cannot pick up ? but there are some who have the ability to pick up these hidden vibrations that are outside the range of the ordinary persons vision and hearing .

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Posted 11/10/15 - 9:45 AM:

"there are some who have the ability to pick up these hidden vibrations that are outside the range of the ordinary persons vision and hearing "

Mebbe so. I'll be glad to revisit my view on the subject as soon as some verfiable evidence is available. As it stands: the world doesn't seem to allow for psychic or paranormal talent or events...*shrug*....if you want me to believe in dragons, you gotta show me the dragons, is all I'm sayin'.
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Posted 11/10/15 - 11:53 AM:

henry quirk wrote:
"there are some who have the ability to pick up these hidden vibrations that are outside the range of the ordinary persons vision and hearing "

Mebbe so. I'll be glad to revisit my view on the subject as soon as some verfiable evidence is available. As it stands: the world doesn't seem to allow for psychic or paranormal talent or events...*shrug*....if you want me to believe in dragons, you gotta show me the dragons, is all I'm sayin'.
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Posted 11/12/15 - 3:11 PM:
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With all due respect, Henry, if you can't handle the reality of paranormal ability, you would go catatonic relative to the subject of "Remote Viewing," "Time Travel," or "Out Of The Body Experiences." BTW I don't have to prove anything to you. Your need of empirical proof sounds a bit like St....de's always wanting two or three witness's for every personage in The Bible.
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Metamorpha wrote:
With all due respect, Henry, if you can't handle the reality of paranormal ability, you would go catatonic relative to the subject of "Remote Viewing," "Time Travel," or "Out Of The Body Experiences." BTW I don't have to prove anything to you. Your need of empirical proof sounds a bit like St....de's always wanting two or three witness's for every personage in The Bible.



Christ sent the disciples in pairs so that there were two to attest to what they were teaching, this is based on Jewish law that if two people testified to the same thing, it was accepted as true. Empirical proof usually involves more than one persons account, paranormal anecdotes are usually related by one person, hence unreliable.
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Posted 11/12/15 - 8:36 PM:
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Doc, I agree with your conclusion. The witness of one person, and especially as it relates to a personal experience, can be prone to error. Since such an experience is innately subjective. Though well intentioned, the individual can be inaccurate, prejudicial, and limited by virtue of their own past life experiences as it relates to reality. In science we have "the scientific method."
Often "peer review" is brought into the picture to guarantee accuracy." Science itself is not a spiritual experience. We would not have the world we have today, if it were simply based on people's opinions. Einstein started with an inspired thought or intuition, moved it into the realm of theory, and consummated it all with a proven equation. It could be replicated.

Thank you for a perfect question, as it relates to Truth, Reality, and Fact.

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Posted 11/13/15 - 9:44 AM:

"Your need of empirical proof sounds a bit like St....de's always wanting two or three witness's for every personage."

Such manure.

Again: you want me to believe in dragons: produce one.

You ask me to believe in talking cats: produce one.

You say there's a fire; I ask 'where?' (I wanna smell smoke, perhaps see the flames).

Can't see how my wanting evidence of this or that is in keeping with that nutjob's thinking.

You insult me...I'm insulted...you, sir, can go take a flying leap offa a short pier.
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As for the testimony of many: I'm no more inclined to believe in the absurd cuz 100, 1000, 1,000,000 say it's so than I am if only one sez it's so.

That is: craziness is not translated into sanity just cuz a whole whack of folks believe it.

Example: how many islamic fundamentalists are there?
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Posted 11/13/15 - 1:18 PM:
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Thank you Henry for being true to form. As I said before, "I don't need to prove anything to you." If you're offended too bad. Live with it! Your insults speak for themselves.

BTW, your infantile psycho-spasms are not new to The Couch Forum.

METAMORPHA

Edited by Metamorpha on 11/13/15 - 1:30 PM
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"your infantile psycho-spasms are not new to The Couch Forum"

No shit, Captain Obvious.
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Posted 11/13/15 - 5:08 PM:

@ HENRY AND METAMORPHA....

guys we have just passed through a very unpleasant period lasting several weeks with the mentally sick STARJADE now we have entered a more sane period which have produced some good threads and posts , lets not throw that away by throwing insults around , look at what is happening in the world because of an eye for an eye tactics it gets no one anywhere it just increase the problems .
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Posted 11/13/15 - 5:26 PM:

@ HENRY........henry sir , I and the doc and meatamorpha believe that 2,000 years ago a man called JESUS walked the earth and upon that belief we have moulded our lives ..
BUT if you us to show you or prove that such a man ever existed the only evidence we can offer is the bible or point to the creation . you on your part could say the bible is a collection of fairy tales and the creation got here some other way ...the big bang theory perhaps but for us the seal on our faith is the presence of the HOLY SPIRIT in our lives which showed us that what we were reading and what we believed in was true we thet have had that exeriance know this to be true .BUT we cannot command the holy spirit to appear to satisfy any non believers ...each to their own henry as GOD has appointed *peace*

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John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the spirit
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SUNLIGHT, your words are well spoken and well received. Henry wants proof, evidence, an in your face reality. Not all of life is so constituted. Science has proven the reality of neutrinos, do they exist, yes, can you see them no, yet millions are passing through our bodies everyday. Science has proven the reality of positrons. An anti-electron, anti-matter, can we see them, no. The point I'm trying to make is not everything is visible, touchable, yet we accept them by FAITH. The same applies to history, even Biblical. Did we live 2,000 years ago to prove Jesus walked the earth, no. Was science so advanced in that period to prove it, no. Once again Faith. Science has proven that there is more black matter in the universe than the rest of the universe. Can we see it, obviously not. So what's the difference, some things are seen, some are not. CONCLUSION, whether science, or Biblical evidence, there is more to life than Henry"s five physical senses. Including my own.

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Posted 11/13/15 - 10:19 PM:

“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
― William Shakespeare, Hamlet

And likewise in this Universe, or any you choose to imagine.
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WELL SAID METAMORPHA AND THE DOC clap
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Posted 11/14/15 - 2:11 PM:

" lets not throw that away by throwing insults around"

You're right, Sun.

Meta, my apologies.

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"I and the doc and meatamorpha believe that 2,000 years ago a man called JESUS walked the earth..."

This is well and fine, for you. I've said it many times, a body should order and discharge his or her life as he or she sees fit, based on whatever he or she susses out. I'm not inclined toward criticism, but I'm not inclined toward submission either. Also: I'm not inclined to dance 'round a subject. I prefer to be direct. This can make me unappealing and can be misinterpreted (which is ironic...plain speech misinterpreted).

Simply: I mean no offense, I simply speak my mind, just as I expect others to...it's unfortunate things degrade from time to time, but this is the nature of things.

For my part in the degrading: I apologize.

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"An anti-electron, anti-matter, can we see them, no. The point I'm trying to make is not everything is visible, touchable, yet we accept them by FAITH."

No, sir, I do not. I accept these entities as real because each is measrable. Tools were developed to extend human senses in to both macro- and micro-worlds. The nature of the atomic and nuclear is plumbed not through faith but through measurement with these instruments. This information, these measurements, are reasoned through, considered and contrasted with and against other information, other measurements.

On the other hand, I do not accept the counter-intuitive 'multiverse'. There's not a jot of evidence to support the theory beyond math (which is to say: 'multiverse' is nuthin' more than mathematical wordplay).

Understand: I'm a limited creature...my choice of avatar was no light thing...again: I must see the dragon before I can accept (or fear) it.


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