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Posted 06/30/15 - 12:04 PM:
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Starjade, your experiences with paranormal activity have got me curious how other Couchees feel about that sort of thing. Psychic awareness, clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition, etc. I believe they're possible but not always reliable. I believe that they are faith based activities and thus not well studied by science. More to the point, if you feel like you need science to prove you have psychic abilities, then you don't.

How about you guys, any thoughts?
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Posted 06/30/15 - 1:12 PM:

"The whole sense of the book might be summed up the following words: what can be said at all can be said clearly, and what we cannot talk about we must pass over in silence."

--Ludwig Wittgenstein in the introduction of the Tractatus Logico Philosophicus

I find Wittgenstein's words very useful sometimes. You're right that they're faith based activities. Wittgenstein left everything including Philosophy and became a monk and started serving in a Church.

There are people who feel that our species is actually mutating towards becoming a superior species where all people would be enlightened. Enlightened here means having such capabilities as you mention and also being free from egoic destructive tendencies.


Then there are people who believe that ancient sages had all such capabilities which were lost in time. Many people believe that many aliens who were extremely advanced visited the planet many thousand years ago and helped humanity with such gifts along with other technological help.


These are theories.

Swami Vivekananda--an Indian sage once visited a miracle performer who was supposedly capable of walking on water. The miracle worker showed his miracle to Vivekananda. Vivekananda, after having seen it all said to him that a ferryman would help you cross the river for 2 rupees and you spent years upon years doing painstaking penance to grab attention of others--it's sheer waste of human life.


His suggestion was that putting your energy into self-realization or finding bliss is far better than putting it in pursuit of something superficial. Sages in India have always considered miracles as hindrances on path of self-realization.

I don't know if that incident did happen in Vivekananda's life but message is clear and I agree.


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Posted 06/30/15 - 2:09 PM:

I think it would be dandy to have 'powers', but I don't have powers (and neither do 'you') cuz such things are hooey.

It's a mundane world.
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Posted 06/30/15 - 5:49 PM:

Thinker - I'm glad we agree on the faith based aspect of it. I myself experience what seem to be paranormal activities from time to time - precognition or psychic insights sometimes happens in dreams. So far when it happens, the dream insight has been correct each time. It happens occasionally outside of dreams too but it's not the sort of thing I can duplicate on demand. What if exploring these insights and capabilities is a form of self-realization?

Henry - Have you heard the quote, I think from Roald Dahl - "Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." Here's another quote, a favorite of mine from Robert Anton Wilson - "Cosmic Coincidence Control Center pays special attention to those who pay special attention to it." Food for thought. wink

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Posted 07/01/15 - 3:16 AM:

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Thinker - I'm glad we agree on the faith based aspect of it. I myself experience what seem to be paranormal activities from time to time - precognition or psychic insights sometimes happens in dreams. So far when it happens, the dream insight has been correct each time. It happens occasionally outside of dreams too but it's not the sort of thing I can duplicate on demand. What if exploring these insights and capabilities is a form of self-realization?


I have also experienced it upto an extent, for example I almost knew that you were about to restart posting on The Couch. Perhaps I was sending you telepathic signals or you were sending them to me. laughing

Yes you're right--becoming more perceptive using dream-interpretation, Tarot, Graphology and pure psychic exploration is helpful in self-realization upto an extent.

The key difference is--I feel that the goal of meditation is to just keep meditating and nothing else. In time meditation becomes deeper and deeper and brings before you all the hidden corners of psyche--which helps you become more and more conscious and less and less mechanical. As this expansion of consciousness starts happening you also get many intuitive abilities on the way--temporarily. Now getting identified with your superpowers is ego-driven continuation of the personality in a new disguise. If I feel that I know things in advance and I can see root of problems and I can trace Karma back to its origins etc etc and it makes me feel special--I might trip the wrong way. Further you might think of helping others with psychic abilities. First --as you said it's not stable. Second--even helping others is not going to solve problems permanently--rather your assuming a kind of responsibility is getting identified with an ego-identity which might seem positive. This becomes an obstacle on path of self-realization. So while you might start developing those abilities further they're not really helping you get more peace in the long run. There have been so many big spiritual figures who claimed to change course of events in history--well, until there's an urge to change course of events--in the world, in my family, in my friend circle--enlightenment is not for me. A point comes when I feel totally harmonious with "what is." There remains no urge at all to change anything or making anything better---that doesn't mean that I don't play the role my destiny wants me to play--but it's just acting rather than feeling that I am accomplishing my private mission in life.

Temptation of Christ is a popular example of the same. Similar temptation of Buddha happened as per Buddhist texts. As such life is full of temptations but for those who are advancing on spiritual paths it seems even more full of temptations. laughing


To take another example--if we're walking on a highway--meditation highway--we get all sorts of streets on the way--they're very colorful and alluring--give us many types of enjoyments--but every time we enter into a street we waste a lot of time and energy. Sometimes it happens that we forget the highway completely and become totally engaged with a particular street--we become its residents.

It's a synchronicity that what you wrote today about Paranormal I was going to write yesterday but didn't thinking that even the slightest hint towards that might not sound polite. Secondly The quote from Roald Dahl you wrote about I encountered very recently--yesterday. RAW's quote is also pertinent in an amusing way and I read it in his book Illuminati Trigger. Synchronicities were always there--it's just that as we start noticing more we get more of them--as first law of behavioral Psychology states that you get more of what you reinforce.

Edit: Upon reading my post I feel that it assumes that there exists a state where you can be in harmony and peace with everything. That there exists enlightenment. That's an assumption. I feel you or anyone else who feels that exploring the psychic phenomena could be the goal of his or her life is as justified as anyone else. We all do what we're destined to do. It's just my personal experience that having something more often goes with demonstrating than not. And this demonstrating holds me back from being peaceful.

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Posted 07/01/15 - 8:46 AM:

Lib,

I'm perfectly willing to accept the paranormal, but I'm psychologically from Missouri, that is 'show me'.

If I have to believe in magic to see magic, well, you see the flaw in that, don't you?

If magic, as meaningful action or force exists, then it must exist independent of me.

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Star,

Some time back, you and me went 'round and 'round about your status as 'prophet' and whatnot. You convinced me of nuthin' then and you're convincing me of nuthin' now.

As I have no time, energy, or patience to dance with you again, I think you ought to believe about yourself whatever the hell you like...makes me no never mind.
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Posted 07/02/15 - 8:17 AM:

"As I recall you lost those arguments"

I'm sure that's how you remember it.

Doesn't quite jibe with how I recall it, but...*shrug*...as you like, Star.

As I say up-thread: makes me no never mind how you define yourself.

'nuff said.
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Posted 07/05/15 - 2:26 AM:

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Not done from ego or desire but simply needing to be done because my paranormal activity had a conclusion that could save the planets population from extinctione "........................the only thing that can save people from extinction is the return of JESUS to the earth *peace*
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Posted 07/07/15 - 10:26 AM:

QUOTE ANTI CHRIST "Psst. do you avoid cracks on the pavement and black cats as well.? laughing......................as flames under the pot , so is the laughter of FOOLS

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Posted 07/09/15 - 8:51 AM:

ANTICHRIST WROTE "
Was the question I asked too awkward for you........................not so awkward as the more IMPORTANT question which is is the evidence and testimony that GOD has given over the past 3,300 years in passages in the old and new testament that JESUS is the son of GOD to difficult for you to understand ?, is the reason for that because having rejected JESUS as the light of the world you ave nothing else to illuminate your dark mind exept the dark teacings of this world without the light of Christ to illuminate it ?

Edited by SUNLIGHT on 07/09/15 - 9:12 AM
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Posted 07/09/15 - 9:04 AM:

2 Corinthians 4:6

For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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Posted 07/09/15 - 10:27 AM:

Ain't nuthin' sweeter than watchin' two nutjobs have at one another.

I got me popcorn, I got me comfy seat.

Go, nutjobs, go!
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Posted 07/10/15 - 7:45 AM:

Henry Quirk said; Ain't nuthin' sweeter than watchin' two nutjobs have at one another.

I got me popcorn, I got me comfy seat.

Go, nutjobs, go! ..............ypu would not want to spil my fun would you henry ?zen....bur I am very suproides to see ypu take somany insults from our friend with no comeback from you...this is not the henry I knew from old ...he said ypou gopt burned by him , I musht have missed that ....he said you atre afraid ...he said yopu gopt no s[pine , are you going to take all that from him and prove him right henry >...tut tut tut !shaking head
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Posted 07/10/15 - 8:59 AM:

"Do you believe Jesus was the Prophet that the Christians claimed Jesus to be. Do you also believe Muhammad of Islamic fame was the Prophet that the Muslims claimed Muhammad to be."

I'm an atheist, Star, so: no, Jesus was no prophet (and probably didn't even exist) and, no, Muhammad was no prophet (probably just a schizophrenic).

And: you are no prophet (just a garden-variety nut job).

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"After all you did get burned the last time you tested me."

As I say: you and me recollect that discussion differently. Since that discussion is preserved here, in-forum, any one who cares to review the thread(s), can do so and decide for themselves who got 'burned' by who.

*shrug*

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"are you going to take all that from him and prove him right henry"

In my younger, stupider, days I would go 'round and 'round for page after page with all manner of nutjob, nimrod, jackass, fool, dipshit, retard, communitarian, determinist, etc.

As an older, somewhat less stupid, man, the value of such exchanges has diminished for me.

Simply: I got more important things to do than dance with the delusional.

However, Sun, my withdrawal from the hustle and bustle of forum life shouldn't stop you from flinging yourself, head long, into the fray.

As I say: go, nutjobs, go!


Edited by henry quirk on 07/10/15 - 9:24 AM. Reason: changed 't' to 'n'
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Posted 07/11/15 - 7:24 AM:

ANTI CHRIST says " there are more than seven witnesses still in existence that can establish by religious law that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God..................those witnesses will not be witnesses for long ........the only connection anyone can have to the living god is through JESUS who you have rejected, and as you have denied him he also will deny you when he returns shortly .
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Posted 07/11/15 - 7:30 AM:


john 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Posted 07/11/15 - 10:10 AM:

Hello Starjade takes a bow


You're not only one of the most interesting personalities I've ever come across in my life ( online or offline), but also a brilliant writer. Your words have comical effect and I feel I've already asked you this but I ask you again--why don't you publish your works as books---perhaps you've already done that, or given a thought to it? Obviously you've spent thousands of hours writing on cyberspace which accounts for your smooth writing skills, I feel--many people would be interested in reading your works. You might consider writing fiction as well. And reading your posts--I feel they were hilarious--not to suggest that I've any say about the matter at hand--as I am ignorant about it all--but I knew that you watch a lot of zombie movies laughing ...perhaps you had mentioned it elsewhere and mushrooms too.

Have a nice weekend and wonderful new week. peace
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Posted 07/11/15 - 11:12 PM:

Starjade wrote:
I hope you also have a nice weekend Thinker 13. I heard it is really hot in India, I hope the weather changes for you as that cannot be a good thing. Just meditate concentrate and think “RAIN”. It always works for me and you never know until you try it.


Yes you're right about the 'heat' over here, Starjade. Thanks for your advise, though it has been raining since last week, so weather is a bit soothing than normal. I still feel that while waiting for NASA pictures for your apocalyptic revelations you might consider writing some works of fiction. Since you're very prolific in writing I am sure you can produce many novels in a short period of time and who knows they might provide you with much publicity and resources to further pursue your apocalyptic visions! zen

It was nice reading your post and thanks for writing at length in response to my post. smiling face
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Posted 07/12/15 - 1:09 AM:

ANTICHRIST WRITES " the thing is I do not do things by half. The Living God made a covenant with Abraham and his seed"..............and the seed that the living GOD spoke of was CHRIST .....
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Posted 07/12/15 - 1:24 AM:

◄ Galatians 3:16 ►

New International Version
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ...................................JESUS throughout history has been a stumbling block to many and you are one of those many who do not have a fuller understanding of scripture ...the word seed used there is in the singular form and means one not many, and that one is Christ, who is now becoming a stumbling block to you .
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Posted 07/13/15 - 2:34 AM:

Starjade wrote:
Much as I like the idea of writing books of fiction, I prefer to stay on track with reality. Already writing the details of the ever nearing future apocalypse in more depth along with re creating the apocalyptic scene using satellite photographs from space when I get the right ones, along with the exposing with good reasons the flaws of the false fabricated beliefs of Abrahamic religions based on the Old Testament is plenty enough to tax up my Time. Many would prefer to think all of that was simply fiction. So it is for the better that I stick to cold reality and stay away from any imaginary stories.


I thought so. You know the best. nod

Have a pleasant week ahead, Starjade. takes a bow
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Posted 07/13/15 - 8:37 AM:

"Henry what have you been doing all these years that you think was so very important."

Bringing up a kid...not much compared to your wallowing in self-aggrandizing delusions, I guess, but fine by me.


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Posted 07/13/15 - 8:44 AM:

henry quirk wrote:
"Henry what have you been doing all these years that you think was so very important."

Bringing up a kid...not much compared to your wallowing in a self-aggrandizing delusions, I guess, but fine by me.


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Have a wonderful day Henry smiling face
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Posted 07/13/15 - 9:06 AM:

You too, Thinker... wink
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Posted 07/13/15 - 5:53 PM:

THE FALSE PROPHET SAID " ...It is far better to have a good debate and a good read"...................can light have a good debate with darkness?....how could you have a good debate when you have no understanding of light , which is the testimony and teachings of JESUS ,you would just be groping around in the darkness thinking your dark understanding was light, as long as you seek your own glory and not the glory of THE LIVING GOD who has a son called JESUS you will wander around in the darkness of space for ever going further and further from the light of the SUN (SON) ....a good debate ? can satan have a good debate with JESUS hmm? can light have a good debate with darkness, hmm?... you have insulted 2 people here with several insults, is that what you call having a good debate ?.....would you enjoy a good debate with the living GOD telling him that the testimonies he has given in scripture over the past 3,500 years were lies ?
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