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Posted 10/30/14 - 4:04 PM:
Subject: appropriation
Differences between appropriation & reverse racism. Any thoughts?
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Posted 10/31/14 - 9:09 AM:

Lib,

Can you give me an example?

And, mebbe, define (in the context of this thread) 'appropriation' ansd 'reverse racism'.
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Posted 10/31/14 - 12:25 PM:

I'm seeing the word "appropriation" used a lot these days to indicate when white people (or other races or cultures) adopt a practice as their own that originated as some sort of sacred tradition in another culture.

Check out this article where a middle eastern woman complains that white women should not be bellydancing:

www.salon.com/2014/03/04/wh...stand_white_belly_dancers/

This to me sounds like reverse racism. You are white, therefore you should not be bellydancing.

I've seen this complaint applied to all sorts of different things. Native Americans complaining about the incorrect use of spirit animals, is another example. If you google appropriation you can find all sorts of complaints about it.

By reverse racism I mean that minorities which normally complain (and rightfully so in most cases) about being oppressed or marginalized by white people attempt turn the tables around by saying "You're not allowed to pay any sort of respectful tribute to our traditions".
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Posted 10/31/14 - 12:26 PM:

Here's another related article:

www.thebolditalic.com/artic...ropriation-or-appreciation
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Posted 10/31/14 - 12:34 PM:

I might add too, that it's not that I believe all white people are trying to show the appropriate respect for other cultural traditions. Some are, some aren't. I can understand being offended when someone is being a jerk and trying to mock or belittle your customs. But there are a lot of people who just want to participate out of a natural, respectful desire for exploration.
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Posted 10/31/14 - 1:26 PM:

I get it now.

Claims of cultural appropriation (theft) are horse manure.

As in all things: If A does 'this' and B finds 'this' (done by A) distasteful, then B is free to complain and make the attempt to stop A.

B, of course, may be in for quite the surprise when A kicks B's keister up, down, and sideways.

All this 'cultural appropriation', it seems to me, is nuthin' but, again, horse manure foisted up by stupid folks who really, really, really need to get lives.

If you take my car from my garage, I may hurt you bad.

If you take an aspect of South Louisiana 'culture' and use that aspect for profit or pleasure, can't see how that's any of my concern (since I can, as I like, take the same aspect and use it as I see fit).

Manure! Poop! Hooey!
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Posted 10/31/14 - 1:35 PM:

"I can understand being offended when someone is being a jerk and trying to mock or belittle your customs."

I can't.

Most (mebbe 'all') 'customs' are horse shit and deserve whatever mocking a body can muster.

If I had the time, the inclination, the energy, I would certainly piss on a whole whack of sacred cows, but...*shrug*...I got better things to do.
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Posted 10/31/14 - 2:00 PM:

To be honest, my feeling is not too far off from yours henry, at least in terms of "better things to do".

Personally, I have nothing against the idea of holding something sacred. And I understand how people get so conditioned about holding that thing sacred that their sensitivities are up about it. But expecting other people to hold sacred what you do is not reasonable in my opinion.

Antagonistic behavior is another matter & I'm personally against it just out of empathy & compassion. But I've seen the school of thought that antagonistic behavior can or should theoretically teach people not to take themselves too seriously - giving someone a hard time so they can laugh about it, etc. Where it crosses the line into malice though is where I object to it.

I can't back the idea though that other culture's customs should be off limits to everyone else.
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Posted 10/31/14 - 2:08 PM:

An example: I got nuthin' against Catholicism and (despite my statement above) I got no reason to insult the religion or the one who holds it dear.

At the same time: I got no reason to hold Catholicism dear.

So: Joe should venerate the Saints and the Blessed Mother as he sees fit and have himself a time playin' nice for Jesus, this is all well and fine.

He crosses the line, however, when he expects me to follow suit.

Seems to me: all I owe Joe is leavin' him be (if he returns the favor).
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Posted 10/31/14 - 3:08 PM:

agreed
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Posted 10/31/14 - 4:14 PM:

Interesting dialogue so far. I would add that most everything is a 2 way street, if you want your beliefs to be respected, you should be respectful of others, or at least quietly tolerant. Those who demand respect, and then are disrespectful of others, should be treated accordingly. (Take a 2x4 and knock some sense into their heads.)

Henry, I resisted the temptation to say crowbar.
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Posted 11/03/14 - 10:28 AM:

Seems to me: if each one just minded his/her own businesses and kept his/her hands to him-/her-self, every one would be a lot better off.

As it is: a body has to make a crowbar (or its equivalent) part of its daily attire (simply cuz motherfuckers will not leave one be).
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