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henry quirk
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Posted 09/09/14 - 2:14 PM:
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Over at Philosophy Now there's a thread (On Ray Rice and Moral Absolutes).

The question there: "Is absolute non-violence against women a true and justified moral absolute?"

My answer: Of course not.

If she's comin' at you with a knife, you best defend yourself.

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Three issues...

Rice's 'domestic violence': since his wife has 'forgiven' him, the rest of the world needs to shut the hell up and go about its business.

Rice's termination (from the team and all endorsements): these are contractual matters...if Rice violated contracts then, boo hoo for him...if the team and endorsers released Rice without an agreed-upon policy for such things in place then, Rice can seek redress in the courts.

'Domestic violence' (in general): I'm guessin' a fat percentage of what's reported is (like many reports of rape) not actually violence of man against woman, but a simple yanking of the man's leash by the woman.

Not sayin' men don't beat up and rape women...'am' sayin' that many of these accusations are horseshit.
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Posted 09/09/14 - 4:51 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
Over at Philosophy Now there's a thread (On Ray Rice and Moral Absolutes).

The question there: "Is absolute non-violence against women a true and justified moral absolute?"

My answer: Of course not.

If she's comin' at you with a knife, you best defend yourself.


Hi henry.

Am not familiar with Ray Rice issue but regarding Moral Absolutes in the context: I think the thread creator might have given his idea of 'absolute' non-violence. I am in agreement with you here, because, I don't think that there is anything like absolute non-violence. If there is a lady coming to kill you--you need to save yourself--the situation is not much different from vaccination.

If there is--then it should not be categorized.--i.e. it should be for everyone.

In which case: using incense to keep mosquitos away or using pest-control or using a vaccine are also not non-violent practices or . Self-defence is a necessity.

There is no one in the world capable of absolute noncategorical non-violence. Categorical non-violence is absurdity.
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Posted 09/10/14 - 9:19 AM:

"Categorical non-violence is absurdity."

Yep.

Amazing, however, how many dips there are who propose such things.
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Posted 09/11/14 - 8:17 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
"Categorical non-violence is absurdity."

Yep.

Amazing, however, how many dips there are who propose such things.


Well, I'm certainly not one of them.
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Posted 09/12/14 - 9:49 AM:

HA!

Indeed, that may be the primary reason I like you... wink
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Posted 09/12/14 - 5:27 PM:

Happy Birthday Henry clap


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Posted 09/12/14 - 6:36 PM:

Wow! I didn't know that. Happy birthday Henry, and thankyou Thinker.

Henry, make sure there's a candle for each year, and have a fire extinguisher handy. laughing
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Posted 09/12/14 - 9:09 PM:

thedoc wrote:
Wow! I didn't know that. Happy birthday Henry, and thankyou Thinker.

Henry, make sure there's a candle for each year, and have a fire extinguisher handy. laughing



Welcome thedoc. nod

Good humor. laughing
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Posted 09/13/14 - 12:31 PM:

HA!

52 down, 52 to go.
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Posted 09/13/14 - 6:03 PM:

For my 55th they put 55 candles on the cake but my wife made a cake that was too small, so when all the candles were lit the flames all merged into one big flame. By the time I got them blown out all the center candles had melted down and started to melt the plastic holders.

For 60 many of the candles were in separate holders not on the cake, and much less drama.

For 65 everyone refused to try to light that many candles that year so I didn't have a cake or candles.

Only a few more years till 70, We'll see what I can talk everyone into for that one.
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Posted 09/14/14 - 1:29 PM:

For 65 everyone refused to try to light that many candles that year so I didn't have a cake or candles.



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Posted 09/15/14 - 12:59 PM:

HA!

'OLD MAN'S CAKE INCINERATES HOME, FAMILY'
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Posted 09/15/14 - 11:00 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
HA!

'OLD MAN'S CAKE INCINERATES HOME, FAMILY'



That's not funny, our old house burned down, but not from my birthday cake.

But good can come out of bad, the old house was a project that would never have ended. The new house (that my family said I was not allowed to build) is finished, and there are only a couple of small projects that I need to do.
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Posted 09/16/14 - 9:47 AM:

"That's not funny..."

Actually, it's friggin' hilarious.

Not laughing 'at' ya, Doc.
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Posted 09/16/14 - 3:36 PM:

henry quirk wrote:

Not laughing 'at' ya, Doc.



I know, just jerkin your chain a bit.
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Posted 09/26/14 - 8:33 AM:

henry quirk wrote:
Not sayin' men don't beat up and rape women...'am' sayin' that many of these accusations are horseshit.


Care to back that opinion up with a little proof?

That opinion is the real horseshit. Just another page from the misogyny playbook.

I've long been puzzled by the type of insecurity that causes people to feel better about themselves by actively engaging in the belittlement of others. I 'get it' in a clinical sense, I just don't understand what part of the person is broken so that it makes sense to them.
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Posted 09/26/14 - 9:16 AM:

J,

I self-employ doing criminal and civil research.

Over the past decade I've spent a god-awful amount of time in the hard-copy and virtual archives of ten parish courthouses (and in the company of defenders, prosecutors, accused, and accusers).

A goodly chunk of my criminal research involves claims of child abuse (sexual and non) and 'domestic violence/rape'.

Over a decade: I've looked at the end results of, or occasionally have participated (peripherally) in, a hundred-plus (child abuse and 'domestic violence/rape') investigations.

A great many of these claims (woman claims man beat her; woman claims man beat child; woman claims man raped her; woman claims man raped child) turn out to be utter crap...lies that are recanted, or, proven false.

Not saying' 'most'; am sayin' 'a great many'.

Many of the stats foisted up (to illustrate the numbers of women and children abused) are based on arrests, not convictions and so -- in my experience -- are suspect.


And: I didn't 'belittle' any one.
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Posted 09/26/14 - 12:46 PM:

JrnymnX wrote:

Care to back that opinion up with a little proof?

That opinion is the real horseshit. Just another page from the misogyny playbook.

I've long been puzzled by the type of insecurity that causes people to feel better about themselves by actively engaging in the belittlement of others. I 'get it' in a clinical sense, I just don't understand what part of the person is broken so that it makes sense to them.


LOL, picked on the wrong guy this time.

The accusation of "belittlement" sounds like projection.
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Posted 09/26/14 - 12:56 PM:

"picked on the wrong guy this time"

HA!

Damned straight.
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Posted 09/26/14 - 12:58 PM:

Hey Henry, how are things going?
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Posted 09/26/14 - 1:04 PM:

They go as always.

Me: riding high on 'em.

You?
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Posted 09/26/14 - 1:18 PM:

I'm doing good, the daughter has rearranged her schedule and both kids are in school now, so I'm having a lot more time to myself and I'm trying to adjust so I can get more things done. Time to get after all those projects that have been put on hold or delayed so that I could take care of the grandkids. Other people have told me that I could just let the kids play and go ahead and get my projects done, but when the kids are here, that's what I do and the only thing I do. I'm just not comfortable not giving them reasonably close supervision, so I would spend my time with them as much as they would tolerate. I think the best thing is when the granddaughter takes a nap, and just before she gets up, I lay down on the couch. She comes out, having just gotten awake, and will lay on top of me and snuggle up for awhile. Sometimes she will lay there and chatter, sometimes she will go back to sleep, sometimes we will lay down when she's getting ready for her nap and she will fall asleep beside me. Now I've got to go pull some weeds, the place is starting to look like no-one lives here.
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Posted 09/26/14 - 1:22 PM:

I'm the same way with mine.

Seems to me: if I'm gonna spend time with him, then that means being with him (paying attention to him), not just being in the same room or house (doin' sumthin' else).
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Posted 09/26/14 - 1:41 PM:

Well that was a start, but I can only do so much at one time with my heart condition. I went after several big ones that I was digging out with a pick, I like to get as much of the root as I can. As soon as I get the big ones out of the way, I'll get the weed eater going and clear the rest.
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Posted 09/26/14 - 4:37 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
I self-employ doing criminal and civil research.

Congratulations on having a job.
If you do research you should know better.
Usually when people use the fallacy of an appeal to authority they choose someone of more renown than themselves. Congratulations for being so ballsy. But it doesn't change your opinion into fact anymore than it changes it into jellyfish.

henry quirk wrote:

A great many of these claims...

Opinions love subjective statements like 'a great many' - sounds impressive even though they're almost meaningless.
Just curious what is a great many in your opinion?
Twenty percent?
........Ten percent?
................Two percent?
henry quirk wrote:

And: I didn't 'belittle' any one.

If you read closely you'll see I was wondering about the generic 'people', a reference to misogynists in particular. They puzzle me. You, not so much.

thedoc wrote:

LOL, picked on the wrong guy this time.

We get it you're a Quirk groupy.

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The accusation of "belittlement" sounds like projection.

That statement sounds like noise.
Might I recommend the following http://www.scholastic.com/parents/resources/article/developing-reading-skills/improve-reading-comprehension


I'm certainly not going to waste my time making general accusations hoping the people reading it have the wherewithal to correctly infer who it is implicitly targeted at. What would be the point?
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