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Posted 07/16/14 - 2:01 PM:
Subject: do good deeds cancel bad deeds?
if a murderer becomes a humanitarian, will anyone ever be able to see past his criminal record? what about a child molester? a rapist? can they be redeemed by charitable works?

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Posted 07/17/14 - 10:11 AM:

Legitimately: the question "can they be redeemed by charitable works?" needs to be directed to the targets of the murderer, child molester, the rapist.

However, for myself (as a non-target): I may say 'good job, Joe!' when he does sumthin' 'good', but I'll never forget his crimes.

Molester Joe may do grand and noble things, but he'll never have alone time with my eight-year old.

Guess what I'm sayin' is: there are some things you can't come back from

Edited by henry quirk on 07/17/14 - 1:04 PM
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Posted 07/17/14 - 12:09 PM:

It's not the works that are important, they could just be window dressing. The internal motivation is what is important, but these are harder to determine. Everyone can see the actions and the good deeds, but seeing how the person feels about those deeds is more difficult. Perhaps one indication might be, is the person keeping count of how many good deeds they do, or do they just do the good actions without regard to who knows or sees.
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Posted 07/17/14 - 1:08 PM:

Motivation is hidden, I agree.

Actions, however, are in the open.

Gotta go with what a body does, not what he or she says (or thinks).

Joe may be a great guy (who just happens to like lil boys).

Not seein' how anything he does outside of molesting mitigates the molestation.

He cures cancer...HOORAY FOR JOE!

He's still not havin' alone time with my kid.
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Posted 07/17/14 - 1:27 PM:

the topic was initially inspired by some recent discussion with a friend about the filmmaker roman polanski. i think it was about 30 years ago he was charged with drugging a 14-year-old girl and raping her. i admit i had a hard time watching one of his movies and not being emotionally influenced by knowledge of that. my friend said, "i don't have a problem watching his movies but it doesn't mean i would let my nieces within 10 feet of him." i guess that makes sense, but still, i could feel that shadow sort of hanging over when i was watching one of his films recently.

last night i was watching "everyone says i love you" which is a woody allen movie in which drew barrymore's character falls in love with a sociopathic ex-con played by tim roth. it's a comedy but still more food for thought.

i try to imagine the challenge of being friends with someone who is a known murderer, or a serial killer, or a rapist or a child molester. i imagine it would be 10 times worse if i had children around that i felt compelled to protect, but i think even just for myself, it would be a struggle. is it just karma? i think people deserve a chance to redeem themselves, but i wonder if with certain crimes there's a point at which there's just no coming back from the stigma. it seems sad to think that's the case but maybe it's just the way it is.
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Posted 07/17/14 - 1:39 PM:

Depending on the 'why' for the killings, I could see murder being of little consequence in my being friends with, or friendly with, the killer.

Killer Joe may have had perfectly good reasons for cuttin' the heads offa lil old ladies.

If I buy his reasoning we might pal around.

Note: Joe 'will' have to explain himself.

But Molester Joe?

Nope....he does not pass 'go'...he does not collect $200.
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Posted 07/17/14 - 4:16 PM:

yeah a murderer would have an easier time of it i would think... was it a crime of passion? self defense? soldier at war? serial killing on the other hand...
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Posted 07/17/14 - 6:33 PM:

There are some "criminal" acts that can be justified under certain circumstances, But there are other acts that are inexcusable under any circumstance. I'm with Henry on this one.

One thing that should be noted, not all 'killing' is murder. Some killing, and some assault, is justified by the circumstances.
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Posted 07/18/14 - 9:10 AM:

Lib,

I can see how a body might justify serial killing.

After all, isn't 'war' just serial killing inflated?

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Doc,

I get the legal categories, but, really, killing is killing is killing.
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