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Posted 05/28/14 - 2:15 AM:
Subject: Have You Ever...?
One of the fascinating things about The Couch Forum (My Favorite Forum), is the diversity of the Topics and Posts submitted thereon. So I thought I would take this opportunity to post a Topic, the subject of which most people give very little thought to. I hope it peeks your curiosity and even keen interest. "Have You Ever," while sitting at your computer, going about daily activities, or just cogitating, ruminating, ratiocinating, ever given thought to the fact that you are moving around the sun at 66,200 mph? Or that the radius of our solar system is two billion miles. Or the fact that our next closest star is 26 trillion miles away (4.2 light years). When you look at The Milky Way galaxy at night, you are looking at a spiral galaxy 120,000 to 150,000 light years across, the same galaxy which we call home. In our sister galaxy, Andromeda, a person can't help but wonder that maybe, just maybe, someone is looking back at us? Our star system is in the Orion arm of our galaxy, and our galaxy like a pin wheel, rotates around its center. How fast, who knows? Like all galaxies, all star systems, and yes, you and me, we are moving out into the vacuum of space. How fast, who knows? People often ask, where is the edge of The Universe? Matter is often defined by space, but when more space is needed by matter, as the universe expands, more space is created. Yet, on the other hand, in the vacuum of space, where nothing exists, does space even exist. So does space define matter by virtue of the fact that matter exists, or is it other way around? Be what it may, we are still citizens of The Cosmos, with intellect, will, and emotion; and person-hood, self-hood, and the gift of Life that supports it, we are a blessed creation, blessed, indeed. Sincerely, Wentworth

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Posted 05/28/14 - 10:06 AM:

Actually... I have!

My friends and I end up having a lot of amazing discussions based on our ponderings of important topics that typically make other lesser individuals shake their heads in awe and give us the space we need to have such conversation without being interrupted.

Or at least that's the point of view I take at times to make the life of a hopeless nerd more tolerable. Talking about series of Anime, Batman, J R R Tolkien, and the Wachowskis' works
is just as important to the creativity of us nerdy philosophers as water is... and far more interesting! Although certain people can make water interesting to talk about too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f79g2cYzflU

I don't remember what movie or book Sasquatch and I were talking about (Sasquatch is her username in the forum, but she didn't stay long alas). Randomly she said, I could walk to the sun and back faster than that! Rather than simply saying it is impossible to do so I find the distance in actual miles from the earth to the sun (92,960,000 miles by the way). Then I find the average walking speed of a human (3.1 mph), multiply it by first 24 (hours in a day) then 365.25 (days in a year)to come up with a result of 27174.6.

I had to inform her that if what she said was truly possible that she's better start walking because it would still take 3420.8 years to reach.

She, of course, told me, "Good thing I'm immortal."

"I should report you to a research institution! I'd make tons of money for this find!"

"No don't do that! I had to get a name change and be put in witness protection the last time someone sicked the scientists on me! Was pretty bloody to get rid of the witnesses too..."

"Fertilizer"

"Crawlspace"

Ah... our death threat jokes make my day sometimes. One of my favorite authors had a villain who got rid of evidence by making her victims into fertilizer... And my apartment has a crawlspace that Sasquatch was dying to put to use laughing

-Kin heart
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Posted 05/29/14 - 2:29 PM:

I have as well, many times.

The speed and distances of the Universe are simply beyond human understanding. People can know about these things, but knowing and being able to conceptualize them in your mind are not the same thing. The Universe has been described as finite but unbounded, and to human understanding these 2 concepts seem contradictory, but being counter intuitive does not mean impossible.

The other factor is the time scale that is just more than people can understand. I can say the numbers but having only experienced 60 some years on this planet and even there of a very limited range, the time and distance are not something I can easily grasp. I live at the edge of the Appalachian mountains and looking at the history of this geological feature I am struck by the time scale of what is here. The Mountains were thrust up worn down almost flat, up thrust again and eroded to what there is now. Erosion is a slow process and I can observe is on the hill side where I live. Trying to imagine how long it would take to wear down a mountain is just a bit much.

Amusingly one of the original arguments against the idea that the Earth moved, was that life would be difficult, or impossible, in the constant gale force winds. It seemed that the idea was that there was air everywhere and for the earth to move, it had to move through the air. Apparently the people of the time couldn't grasp that the air was being carried along with the Earth and thus would not be moving as much in relation to the surface of the Earth.
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Posted 05/30/14 - 5:22 AM:

Wentworth,

I don't really understand why, but those facts never really interested me much. I know them and appreciate them (and some can can definitely be used to put arrogant ignoramuses in their place for two seconds before their stupidity kicks back in), but they're things that just are. To me it's not a miracle or anything, it's how the universe works.

The universe does a lot of amazing things. If you look at the veins in your hand, they look very similar to the veins in a leaf and the veins in a river. Coincidentally or not, all are vital to the life of others. We give off carbon dioxide and breathe oxygen. Plants take in carbon dioxide and give off oxygen. Water is necessary for all life forms as we know them, but for there to be a continual supply of usable water, we have to responsibly take what we need (and not grow our population to a size that we can not support it with natural resources) without ruining what we have.

Maybe having science teachers for a mom, stepmom, and other relatives ruined the mystic feel some people get when they learn these things. It never stopped me from loving to learn more, it just took away the magical and miraculous feeling to it.

"When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful,
a miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical..."

~ Supertramp's The Logical Song

-Kin
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Posted 06/01/14 - 2:13 AM:

To: Kim, and theDoc, thank you for your thoughts on my Topic. Yes, the magnitude and infinitude, notwithstanding the eternality of The Universe is beyond human comprehension. Thou I quoted astronomical facts, I agree with you Doc that to conceptualize them is another matter. Sincerely, Wentworth
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Posted 06/02/14 - 7:41 PM:

KinNaoko90 wrote:

Maybe having science teachers for a mom, stepmom, and other relatives ruined the mystic feel some people get when they learn these things. It never stopped me from loving to learn more, it just took away the magical and miraculous feeling to it.

"When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful,
a miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical..."

~ Supertramp's The Logical Song

-Kin



Funny how different people can be, it seems that the more I learn about science the more wonderful and miraculous it seems. It never fails to amaze me how things happen, how big things are, and how small things are, and finally how long things have been going on.

The other thing I have noticed is that Wentworth seems to be content to "post and run", thanking people for responses but not adding anything to the conversation. If this be the case, so be it, and I'll know that I needn't bother with a reply, but I really would like to continue a conversation of sorts.
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Posted 06/02/14 - 10:24 PM:

www.slate.com/blogs/bad_ast...nds_of_weird_galaxies.html
Someday all the sky will be aglow.

A photon of light could slap you in the back of the head 37 times in 5 seconds should it decide to travel circuitously around the earth.
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Posted 06/02/14 - 11:39 PM:

To: theDoc. Thank's for the compliment, and do hope you have had a wonderful day. My post was short for personal reasons. If the truth were to be known, the original post was lengthy but was deleted. It more or less had to do with your comment that stated, quoting astronomical facts is one thing, but conceptualizing them is another. Like what is that supposed to mean? What it means, is that you have to have the last word about anything. You sit back and wait for people to post a Topic, you then get your gun out, and then decide how to shoot holes in it. Again, and again, you have used this ploy. Just for the record how many Topics have you posted lately. The answer is few, very few. It takes more guts to post a Topic, than to post a reply. Also, for the record, Wenthworth is not on The Couch Forum to personally entertain you. If me saying "thank you" to someone who takes the time, and makes the effort to reply to my Topic, offends you, then just disregard it. It's that easy. Remember, Doc, you are under no obligation. None, whatsoever.
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Posted 06/02/14 - 11:59 PM:

Wentworth wrote:

Remember, Doc, you are under no obligation. None, whatsoever.



Noted. I post a topic when I have something to say.
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thedoc wrote:



Noted. I post a topic when I have something to say.

I suppose we must be grateful for that doc laughing
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Wentworth wrote:
To: theDoc. Thank's for the compliment, and do hope you have had a wonderful day. My post was short for personal reasons. If the truth were to be known, the original post was lengthy but was deleted. It more or less had to do with your comment that stated, quoting astronomical facts is one thing, but conceptualizing them is another. Like what is that supposed to mean? What it means, is that you have to have the last word about anything. You sit back and wait for people to post a Topic, you then get your gun out, and then decide how to shoot holes in it. Again, and again, you have used this ploy. Just for the record how many Topics have you posted lately. The answer is few, very few. It takes more guts to post a Topic, than to post a reply. Also, for the record, Wenthworth is not on The Couch Forum to personally entertain you. If me saying "thank you" to someone who takes the time, and makes the effort to reply to my Topic, offends you, then just disregard it. It's that easy. Remember, Doc, you are under no obligation. None, whatsoever.

This post is awesome. Wentworth got his buttons pressed, but the reply is great in that he does a good job at expressing whatever pointed hostility in a really snide yet seemingly polite tone. Very strange, but OK.
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Posted 06/20/16 - 4:34 PM:

KinNaoko90 wrote:
Actually... I have!

My friends and I end up having a lot of amazing discussions based on our ponderings of important topics that typically make other lesser individuals shake their heads in awe and give us the space we need to have such conversation without being interrupted.


Just so you know, when I first read/opened this thread, I was expecting a "Never Have I Ever" kind of thing, like the game you play after Spin-the-Bottle and other make-out party games. When I was more of a making out style of hooker upper, there was almost nothing I could say "never have I ever" about because I was like, doing it all over the place all the time.
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I suppose we must be grateful for that doc laughing


Yes, you should all be thankful for small favors.
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Wentworth wrote:
To: theDoc. Thank's for the compliment, and do hope you have had a wonderful day. My post was short for personal reasons. If the truth were to be known, the original post was lengthy but was deleted. It more or less had to do with your comment that stated, quoting astronomical facts is one thing, but conceptualizing them is another. Like what is that supposed to mean? What it means, is that you have to have the last word about anything. You sit back and wait for people to post a Topic, you then get your gun out, and then decide how to shoot holes in it. Again, and again, you have used this ploy. Just for the record how many Topics have you posted lately. The answer is few, very few. It takes more guts to post a Topic, than to post a reply. Also, for the record, Wenthworth is not on The Couch Forum to personally entertain you. If me saying "thank you" to someone who takes the time, and makes the effort to reply to my Topic, offends you, then just disregard it. It's that easy. Remember, Doc, you are under no obligation. None, whatsoever.


I apologize if I seemed rather harsh, but I have been on forums for some time now and I tend to be a bit short with some people. Sunlight has me a bit gun shy at times.
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I apologize if I seemed rather harsh, but I have been on forums for some time now and I tend to be a bit short with some people. Sunlight has me a bit gun shy at times.
.............doc you helped me In posts that were important to me and you gave me encouragement and support against he who shall not be mentioned again and I was grateful for that peace
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SUNLIGHT wrote:
.............doc you helped me In posts that were important to me and you gave me encouragement and support against he who shall not be mentioned again and I was grateful for that peace


Thankyou, you state that you are a Capricorn, the Goat, and if you incorporate some of those characteristics, that would explain a lot. If it helps, I am an Aquarius but close to a Capricorn, though I don't put a lot of stock in those labels. In the past we have disagreed less about what you were saying, and more about how you were saying it. Tell me, do you still feel that anyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do, is condemned, or have you become more accepting of slightly different points of view?
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QUOTE THE DOC do you believe that any one who does not believe what you believe is condemmed ? ................... .. i believe in the gospel that JESUS delivered and i will let JESUS answer the rest of your question nod.

◄ Mark 16:16 ►

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Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.



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DOC ...I agree with you completely about the labels that mankind has put on the signs of the zodiac ...GENESIS does say that GOD created the sun moon and stars to give light upon the earth and he said let them be for signs and seasons and days and years .....JESUS also said about his second coming that there would be SIGNS in the sun moon and stars, did he mean the ACTUAL sun moon or stars or did he mean signifying things that would happen among the nations on earth signified by the movements of the heavenly bodies ....but the understanding of these signs have become lost to most of us now because of the changing and additions to the ORIGINAL meanings set by god .....and so the ones who changed the signs gain control and make money out of the false meanings they have set up over nearly 6,000 years ...BUT even in its perverted or changed form astrology does predict the future in advance because I have used it with success myself but I was concerned whether this ability came from GOD so I stopped 20 years ago ...I mentioned my concern in our previous forum years ago to she who may not be named nodzenim she said she thought the gift was from GOD BUT with respect to the IMP
I am not sure she was right .........hope you have a good day doc ....thumb up

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Posted 06/30/16 - 8:36 PM:

SUNLIGHT wrote:
QUOTE THE DOC do you believe that any one who does not believe what you believe is condemmed ? ................... .. i believe in the gospel that JESUS delivered and i will let JESUS answer the rest of your question nod.

◄ Mark 16:16 ►

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Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.



I agree with you on that, and I would say that the Baptism is pretty much a yes or no question and it can be verified. The question of believing is a bit more problematical, many can say they believe, but mortals might have difficulty making an accurate judgement, based on their actions. Probably the best course is to just accept them at their word, at face value, and let God sort it out in the end.
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I will just add one more thing, I do not believe that God commands anyone to harm another, mentally or physically. So that action would be a deal breaker for me.
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QUOTE THE DOC : I don't think god would command anyone to kill another ..................................... I don't think GOD would agree with you there doc...we believe GOD is love but we are also reminded by the apostle of GODS goodness and SEVERITY .



Deuteronomy 20:16-18New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 But you shall [a]utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you, 18 so that they may not teach you to do according to all their detestable things which they have done for their gods, so that you would sin against the Lord your God.

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