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Posted 04/27/14 - 1:11 AM:
Subject: OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE
This Topic may catch some by surprise. No doubt some will say, Wentworth has finally lost it. The Couch means a lot to me. It may seem strange that I post topics next to each other that seemingly have nothing in common. The Topic "OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE," may seem to some as laughable, for others just cheap entertainment, and for a small few, a subject worth thinking about. My OBE, seven of them, all occurred within a one month period, and none of them have ever been experienced since. They took place when I was twenty or twenty-one, and I was definitely not under the influence of alcohol, or mind altering drugs. What precipitated the event I do not know, and as mentioned, they lasted a determinate period of time, just one month. What I have written is PART I. It lays the groundwork, and PART II will describe the actual experiences. Sincerely, Wentworth

Edited by Wentworth on 04/27/14 - 9:48 PM. Reason: Clarification
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Posted 04/28/14 - 1:46 AM:

OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE...Part II. As mentioned earlier, I experienced seven OBEs in a one month period, and have never experienced any since. At the time of the occurrences I was twenty or twenty-one years old. The following describes what happened. Half way through a good nights sleep, I awoke to find myself floating near the ceiling of my bedroom. As might be expected, I panicked and was pulled back to my body, and upon returning I heard a big bang. This happened three times before realizing that my panic ruined the experience. On the forth time I did not panic, and because of that I was able to stay "aloft" longer, although there was still a tugging sensation. On the fifth OBE I was able to turn my head and saw my physical body asleep in bed. On the sixth OBE, while still floating, I was able to view my "out of body, body" and it was blue light, and had the same dimensions as my physical body. The seventh OBE was different from all the rest. During this one, I willed my body to go erect, so that I could be in a standing position. After accomplishing this I slowly walked over to the bedroom dresser and looked in the mirror, and saw nothing. Again, very carefully, I lifted my right arm and looked at it, and it too was blue light. And then I reached my arm out and attempted to pick up something on the dresser, only to find that it went right through the dresser. After three attempts, with no success, I panicked. Again I was slammed back into my physical body, and again heard a big bang, then I woke up. That was my last OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE. Sincerely, Wentworth
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Posted 04/28/14 - 11:01 AM:

While I do not doubt the possibility of OBE's, I have never had one and I would probably be on the skeptical side. There is one point that raises a question in my mind, in your last experience when you went back into your body, were you standing or lying in your bed?

Another point that comes to mind is that some religious people could use this experience to prove the existence of the 'Soul', have you considered this?
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Posted 04/30/14 - 11:39 PM:

To: the Doc. Thank you for your interest in my Topic. You asked two very relevant questions, which were this: Was I standing or lying down during the seventh OBE (Out Of Body Experience), and secondly, do I presuppose that this experience could vindicate the existence of a Soul? To the first question, the answer is that my physical body was lying in bed, and not in a standing position. Your second question was one that would involve my own personal opinion. After doing research on The Net, I came up with diverse opinions on the subject of OBE's. What I came to learn is that OBE's are not that uncommon. And when it came to a scientific explanation by neuroscientists and neuropsychiatrists, OBE's are the first steps toward a NDE (Near Death Eperience), as related by patients. My OBE was not a NDE because I was healthy, and did not have any preconditions for a health crises. Also, many testimonials regarding NDE's involved a movement toward a heaven or hell experience, which for the sake of this inquiry is not included in my experience or opinion. What does stand out about my experiences were the "tugging sensations, and very strong ones, that wanted to pull me back to my body. An interesting question that could be posited is what would have happened if I was not pulled back. Seeing my body as blue light, in and of itself, does not constitute a Soul; but since I was conscious, self-aware, and had willpower, in other words, a psyche, does that constitute a Soul. That is the question? Sincerely, Wentworth

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Posted 05/02/14 - 4:48 PM:

I would like to address the idea of an OBE, setting aside the idea of a soul, for now, there is too much baggage associated with that term. I would like to speculate that the OBE indicates that there is some other aspect of a human being in addition to the purely physical. From other accounts I can recall mention of some people who can perceive a 'Aura' of colored light around each person. Is it possible that this would be the same substance as the light body you perceived during your experience? If this is true it would indicate that there is a spiritual aspect to a human being. Is this spiritual aspect reserved just for human beings?

You mentioned a "Tugging Sensation" when your "blue light being" was separated from your physical body. Is it possible that this attraction is stronger in some and less strong in others, which would account for why all do not have this experience, and those who do, do not have it at all times? Is a weaker attraction an advantage or disadvantage, and does it change over time?

It seems that your account has raised more questions than answers.
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Posted 05/02/14 - 4:59 PM:

A few thoughts on the "soul" aspect of the spiritual entity that may be associated with a human being. I have heard a few accounts of NDEs and there is some similarity to the OBEs that I have heard. One thought is that many people have heard about these experiences and may have some expectations of what will happen. These expectations may dictate what the person actually experiences. In other words there may be preconceived notions of what a NDE will be like, and that is what will be experienced rather that what actually happens. There is a lot of preaching in churches about what heaven is like and what we can expect when we get there and this is unfortunate in that then people may be disappointed if their expectations are not met.

Many years ago I had a particular conversation with my father, and apparently someone told his that in heaven we would spend all day bowing down and worshiping God, apparently their idea of heaven. My father said if that was what heaven was like, he wasn't sure he wanted to go there. Some people's false ideas can do more harm than good.
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Posted 05/03/14 - 2:00 AM:

Thank you Doc for your sincere interest. Yes, indeed, The Topic, and my personal experience does raise more questions than it answers. If my experience has any antecedents, precursors, or predispositions, I am at a loss to know what they were. Mentioning that people claim to see auras, although I have never seen one, and me seeing my "out of body, body" as blue light, may presuppose the reality of a spiritual self. If this were true, then a whole new set of questions could be raised. Also, I agree with you that "the power of intent," may prejudice an individual towards an experience that seems REAL when, in fact, the experience is a product of their own mind. Just by virtue of how the human brain can create dreams, very vivid and detailed, attests to the fact that the human mind can create its own reality. If we want Truth, then necessarily, we have to start with REALITY. Jumping forward to another question you raised, re: the strong tugging sensation, and whether a strong or weaker one would make any difference, I simply do not know. But it is a good question. Thanks, again. Sincerely, Wentworth
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Posted 05/04/14 - 12:12 PM:

Wentworth wrote:
Thank you Doc for your sincere interest. Yes, indeed, The Topic, and my personal experience does raise more questions than it answers. If my experience has any antecedents, precursors, or predispositions, I am at a loss to know what they were. Mentioning that people claim to see auras, although I have never seen one, and me seeing my "out of body, body" as blue light, may presuppose the reality of a spiritual self. If this were true, then a whole new set of questions could be raised. Also, I agree with you that "the power of intent," may prejudice an individual towards an experience that seems REAL when, in fact, the experience is a product of their own mind. Just by virtue of how the human brain can create dreams, very vivid and detailed, attests to the fact that the human mind can create its own reality. If we want Truth, then necessarily, we have to start with REALITY. Jumping forward to another question you raised, re: the strong tugging sensation, and whether a strong or weaker one would make any difference, I simply do not know. But it is a good question. Thanks, again. Sincerely, Wentworth
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interesting topic wentworth thumb up perhaps one of the most famous O,B,E ,S ever recorded wa ST PAULS own experiance which would cause scoffers and mockers to say he was fantasising .."he said he knew a man who raised up into the 3rd heaven , into paradise itself and saw and heaerd things he was not allowed to speak of ....he said he could not tell if it was out of the body or in the body but judging by millions of other experiances since then it would seem to be OUT OF THE BODY , its another of those things wentworth ...they that experianced it know it to be true , othere doubt it ...like DOUBTING THOMAS and will not believe unles they experiance it themselves...peace


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Posted 05/05/14 - 7:58 PM:

I believe we can explore the question of the spiritual aspect of a human being by looking at the evidence. Of course there are many who will deny the validity of any evidence, and there are some who will accept any evidence as valid. We have OBE's, NDE's, People who claim to have seen Auras, people who claim to have seen ghosts, and many who claimed to have contacted spirits from the "Other Side". Many of these claims can be debunked or explained away, but that still leaves some that cannot be dismissed out of hand. What do we do with these? I believe we should consider them as possibly valid. If that is the case, then there is some evidence that there is a spiritual component to a human being, and until totally disproven, must be considered at least as a possibility. However I would suggest that since all cannot be disproven, for whatever reason, it must be considered that some are valid and these would stand as evidence of a spiritual component of a human being that can survive after physical death. WentWorth has had an experience, I have had a much different experience, both share that they are inexplicable. In other posts sunlight has claimed to have experienced the supernatural in contacting the spirit world, at least that is my recollection. To dismiss these as hallucinations or flights of fantasy is to not consider the possibility that they are real. Too many people dismiss the experiences of others simply because they have not shared those experiences, and that is to call the other person a liar without foundation. In the end we must accept that there is strong evidence that there is a spiritual aspect of a human being that cannot be readily dismissed, even though some will, simply because they don't like the idea.
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Posted 05/11/14 - 6:18 AM:

QUOTE THE DOC : In other posts sunlight has claimed to have experienced the supernatural in contacting the spirit world, at least that is my recollection.

ALMOST RIGHT DOC , but i did not contact the spirit world , someone from the spirit world contacted me, if i had been on my own whenit happened i could have thought i was having halluinations but because this spirit was also seen by my sister who did not know i was experiancing it to , there is double wtness to the experiance ..zen

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Posted 05/12/14 - 11:54 PM:

If we can accept that there is some valid evidence for the spiritual aspect of a human being, then it leads us to the question of what is the nature of that spirit? And here is where the religious question becomes important. Is that spirit the human soul? and if so, why are some still on Earth, or are ghosts something else entirely. So here on this post we have WentWorth having an OBE, Sunlight being contacted by beings from the spirit world, and I have had an experience of the presence of the Holy Spirit. 3 separate and distinctly different encounters with the common thread of the spiritual, as opposed to the purely physical world. The presence of the Holy spirit in the affairs of men seems to be a clear indication of the existence of God, and to those who would say that God has too many other things to attend to, I would say who are you to set limits on God or to say what God should pay attention to, or not. Those who deny the existence of God, do so by describing a God with man's limitations, and then disproving the possibility of such a God. Hardly a valid argument. Once we accept that there is a God and men have a spiritual aspect, it seems to lead to the conclusion that men's spirit is a soul that God is capable of caring for, and this fits the Christian message that God is Love and forgiveness.

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