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Posted 02/16/14 - 10:47 PM:
Subject: blast from the past
it has been seven years since I have perused the couch forum. back then it was my favorite website! the comments were voluminous, the subjects posted were very thought provoking, to say the least. well I bought a computer and I finally was able to register, and then log in despite the challenge and exasperation of using window 8. at any rate I am happy to see the couch forum still alive and well. thank you liberty girl for all you have done, and thanks to all the contributors who the have hung in during the last seven years. Sincerely, Wentworth DeHavilland
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Posted 02/16/14 - 10:56 PM:

Though I wasn't around seven years ago... Welcome back!

Windows 8 can be quite challenging to work with. (I've been using a computer for about 18 years now and have to say it my least favorite since before XP).

Hey, who knows? Maybe your return is a sign of greater things to come for us couchians. But alas... I need to call it a day for tonight. Welcome, again, and we'll see you around, I hope!

- Kin
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Posted 02/17/14 - 1:32 AM:

Kin, thank you for your warm welcome back to TheCouch. Having been born and raised in Michigan I am familiar with winter weather, but the severe weather which New England and the Midwest has had to endure this season is shocking. It has, to say the least, been unrelenting. My heart goes out to you, and to everyone who lives in the northern climes. We here in The South have not been spared, either. I look forward to reading the "posts" and "topics" you have shared on The Couch. Sincerely, Wentworth DeHavilland
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Posted 02/17/14 - 7:59 AM:

Honestly, while we've had a fairly heavy duty winter up here, it's been doable. In upstate New York (about 45 minutes north of Albany), we're familiar with all sorts of foul winter weather. Considering we're right at the foothills of the Adirondacks, this is pretty normal. The temperature has probably been lower than what I'm used to, but I'm one of the freaks that can handle the cold easily when compared to how I handle the heat.

The south, on the other hand, was completely unprepared for the weather they were dealt. While some northerners laugh at certain southern cities closing down due to a few inches of snow, they don't realize that those who have been born and raised in the south don't have driving experience in that weather. Moreover, the people of the south aren't the only ones to suffer. The animals, while more adaptable, aren't used to it either. The crops are killed by frost.

Up here, all I've had to worry about were my pipes freezing... and my landlord takes care of those things within the day. Well, my National Grid bill was insanely high, too. Bleh... Bills...
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Posted 02/17/14 - 9:35 AM:

kin, thank you for your reply. Your interest in the wellbeing of animals shows you have a tender and caring heart. Currently I help support three animal charities, which include ASPCA, Humane Society, and the care of six abandoned horses. No doubt someone reading this post will think, Wentworth, is just another useless animal lover. However my concern goes beyond animals. Since I am a military veteran, I also have a heart for those injured in combat, and consider it a honor to help them also. Often their injuries aren't physical, but mental, and they also need help. Paralyzed Veterans of America, Disabled Veterans of America (DAV), even The USO, and others deserve our help. Even UNICEF, Save The Children, and last but not least, the homeless across America are all deserving. Yes, the list could go on, and on! Before reading your post, I completed my "Bio" for The Couch. The reason I mention this is because I have read a number of your earlier posts. The one that caught my eye is a poem you submitted last year, one that drew a number of comments, and because of which you bore your heart and shared personal information. To begin with your poem was very inspiring, born from your soul. The challenges you faced made my own pale in comparison. Please know that many people read The Couch Forum, and I am sure they were touched, even as I was touched. You are special. Sincerely, Wentworth.
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Posted 02/17/14 - 1:48 PM:

Wentworth,

I can't even imagine the struggles you faced in the military. Though I've always despised the need for a military (I'd rather peaceful solutions be viable options in every situation), I have nothing but respect for those who are willing to sacrifice their lives and their rights for the sake of others.

I don't think one's life is comparable to another's. I think an individual's life is similar to undefined number. You can't measure it or even aspects of it and you can't know if it differs or is the same as another undefined number. That being said, you don't know and you can't know. It's simpler to just acknowledge that everyone is fighting their own battle.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is it's possible that everyone is special. This, while creating a paradox for it's own definition, is truly inspiring. There are true story examples everywhere you look of people beating incredible odds. Homeless to Harvard, The Freedom Writers' Diaries, The Gridiron Gang, A Beautiful Mind... I can go on forever. Sure not everyone is capable of being the next president, but being a president doesn't make someone great anyway.

My brother is autistic and several of my closest friends have Paranoid Schizophrenia or Bipolar Disorder. I, myself, have been diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. But we take each day at a time and we're all survivors. Not just us, either. Every creature living on this planet, in the universe, in existence, is a survivor of the battle called life.

...Or at least that's how I try to look at it, I guess.
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Posted 02/17/14 - 9:50 PM:

Hello Wentworth, I guess it's welcome back to the forum even though I wasn't here 7 years ago either. I was going to comment that people needn't be intimidated into thinking that their posts should be very deep and meaningful, and then you and Kin go off on some really meaningful stuff. I feel like a piker by comparison. I was going to suggest that even the mundane can be interesting to some, I get no end of pleasure talking about my grandchildren. So let's tone it down a bit, just for me, what meaningless and trivial things have you done today?
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Posted 02/19/14 - 12:50 AM:

Kin, my post was deleted because of impropriety. Thank you for your understanding. Sincerely, Wentworth

Edited by Wentworth on 02/19/14 - 10:47 PM. Reason: inapropriate
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Posted 02/19/14 - 1:18 AM:

To: the doc. You mentioned that my discourse with Kin was too personal, even intimidating, for those that like "posts" on the lighter side. You mentioned that I should "tone it down," and cut out the "trivialities." Just for you I will do that, but if I slip up please let me know ASAP. Thanks for your comment. Sincerely, Wentworth
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Posted 02/19/14 - 1:21 PM:

Wentworth, I'm sorry, but what you took from my post was not my intention. It was a bit 'Tongue-in-cheek', self depreciating, and intended to be complementary to you and Kin. It seems my post 'missed it's mark'. Your exchange with Kin was neither too personal, intimidating, nor should you 'tone it down' for me. I was joking, but it seems that humor is difficult if not impossible on an internet forum.
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Posted 02/19/14 - 10:30 PM:

Doc, thank you for the clarification. I have been told I have a sense of humor, also. But even some of my humor ends up being taken the wrong way. I'd rather have a sense humor, as one of my character traits, than not. Life is too serious as it is, as we both know. People years ago were more light hearted, and seemed to enjoy life more. Those were the good old days. Enjoy your grandchildren, and have a good day. Sincerely, Wentworth
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Posted 02/20/14 - 10:35 AM:

WentWorth, I think that, since we've started, humor might be an interesting topic of discussion. I know my own is somewhat specialized, in that it is based on sometimes obscure information, sort of 'In Jokes'. Some of my jokes are derived from the 'HitchHikers guide the the galaxy' which is not familiar to everyone. Or 'Red Dwarf', a show not many have seen.

Several years ago there was a British comedy series, 'Good Neighbors' about a couple who were trying to be completely self sufficient on an 'in town' lot. They had a couple as neighbors and the neighbor wife was a bit stuck up, but honest about herself. In one episode she had a line, because she would always laugh at what she perceived as a joke, whether she got it or not. Her line was "Those who do not get the joke, often become the butt of it", so she was laughing in self defense so as not to become the one being made fun of. That seemed to be a very interesting observation about some people.

BTW, I often have to 'explain' my jokes to others, I once had a T-shirt with images of Einstein's head on the front and back. On the front was his face in blue, and on the back was the back of his head in red. Most people didn't get it.

I had another T-shirt, that had Maxwell's equations for light, but at the top said, "And God Said", then the equations, and then at the bottom, "And there was Light". I showed it to someone and they said "God didn't use algebra.", I just asked "How do you know?" He didn't have an answer to that.

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Posted 02/21/14 - 10:14 PM:

Left my computer at a friend's house for too long... Sorry!

Doc's a good guy. He's always got something nice to say and is kind to everyone. Well, unless you are a certain other person whom I have not seen in a while and will not mention for fear of them coming back.

I've got a pretty bad headache, but wanted to check in so that you all knew I hadn't abandoned you again. I'll see you all tomorrow!

- Kin
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Posted 02/22/14 - 5:48 AM:

Kin, we missed you. Yes "the doc" is a real asset to the The Couch Forum, and in my opinion, you are also. I have read a number of your entries, both topics and posts, and have found them fascinating to read. Since you are the first person to welcome me back to The Couch after a seven year hiatus, I want to thank you for your cordiality. Although some of my posts responding to you may have seemed presumptuous, they were not meant to be so. In other words, I very much enjoy your comments and opinions. As I have mentioned before, you have a very kind spirit. Please know I appreciate your entries, and look forward to reading them. Sincerely, Wentworth
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Posted 02/22/14 - 7:10 PM:

KinNaoko90 wrote:

Doc's a good guy. He's always got something nice to say and is kind to everyone.
- Kin



I wish you would quit doing that, My grandkids call me 'GrumpPa'.
You're trying to give me a good reputation, Grrrr.
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Posted 02/22/14 - 7:15 PM:

Wentworth wrote:

and in my opinion, you are also. I have read a number of your entries, both topics and posts, and have found them fascinating to read. Sincerely, Wentworth



Yes, there are several interesting posters on this forum, just not enough activity. Someone needs to light a fire under some of them. Even Sunlight would be something to read, or ignore, but then sometimes I'm easily amused. A cheap date?
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Posted 03/01/14 - 6:40 AM:

thedoc, appreciated your post indicating the fact that a fire needs to be lit under us to help The Couch Forum become more viable. From your post, I believed you also realized the need for new members, and that is what inspired me to enter a topic, stating "All Guests Are Welcome Here". Since I am not one of Administrators of The Forum, and then a new member starts writing a Topic, inviting people to join may seem a tad presumptuous, but I believe it will bear fruit. The Couch Forum in 2007 was breathtaking, some people giving posts on almost a daily basis, notwithstanding the new Topics. It was action, action, action. I firmly believe that level of energy will return. Thanks again to all members who hung in from 2007, many of their names I will always remember. At the top of the list is Libertygirl, and she will always be held in my highest esteem. Thank you Libertygirl, Paul, Midnight Monk and many others who worked so hard. You are all special. Sincerely, Wentworth
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Posted 03/23/14 - 4:31 AM:

thedoc wrote:
Wentworth, I'm sorry, but what you took from my post was not my intention. It was a bit 'Tongue-in-cheek', self depreciating, and intended to be complementary to you and Kin. It seems my post 'missed it's mark'. Your exchange with Kin was neither too personal, intimidating, nor should you 'tone it down' for me. I was joking, but it seems that humor is difficult if not impossible on an internet forum.
...........but jokes against GODS good creation are very inadvisable .....JESUS said every idle word a man speakes he will give an account for on the judgement day. .
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Posted 03/23/14 - 11:52 AM:

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...........but jokes against GODS good creation are very inadvisable .....JESUS said every idle word a man speakes he will give an account for on the judgement day. .



So here are limits being set for God by someone with some very serious limits themselves? Pity you haven't got the slightest clue of God's word, from your stolen Bible.
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Posted 03/24/14 - 9:16 PM:

I'm sorry. I know there are plenty of those who believe in God or a god/goddess or gods/goddesses... and I know there are plenty among those who seem like genuine and caring people even to me. But the phrase that is "God's good creation" in itself is, to me, a poorly told joke. Jesus may or may not have said those things while he was alive. He may or may not have been the son of god. He also may or may not have acquitted us of our sins on the cross. The concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' may or may not be God's creations as easily as they may or may not be humankind's creations.

According to atheists, neither God nor Satan exist. According to christian scripture, both do and Satan, also known as the devil and previously known as Lucifer, was created by god. The devil sinneth since the beginning is referring to the devil, in the form of the snake always having existed as temptation to humankind. Lucifer was an angel that became known as Satan. Lucifer was good or god would not have created him. Satan is the current name of the creature known as the Devil. Lucifer being his former name. However, since the devil has sinned since the beginning, Lucifer was the devil even back when he was named Lucifer. But god creates only good and the devil has sinned since the beginning. So god created the devil... and omniscient as he is, must have known the devil to be bad.

So even if "Gods good creation" was not intended as a joke, I find it laughable. We can try to say well yes god was omniscient, but chose not to know. Even then though... the definition of a christian god contradicts itself. God was also omnibenevolent correct? All good in other words? Why would he even unintentionally create the source of all evil (or temptations to evil depending on your point of view).

If he truly wanted to judge humankind, he should be perfectly capable without tempting them to evil. According to Christians, humankind would not be able to understand god on god's level anyway, so proving they are evil to themselves is unnecessary and pointless.

I'm not too worried about it though. Even if I am cast to the depths of an unfathomable hell for my lack of belief or one of my other many sins, no matter how long I live on earth I keep seeing the "limits" of human cruelty being broken. Would honestly be easier to understand and cope with if the hell I had to experience was done by something other than human. Add to that the fact that no matter what I experience I am in a state of constant inquiry due to my pyrrhonian skeptic nature, then not only will it be easier to cope with than what we know as life, it will also make it no more real than this possibly possible reality we are in currently.

- Kin <3
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Posted 03/24/14 - 9:27 PM:

The thing that would likely be more hellish for me than hell... aside from the realms of the living, would be heaven. The devil, even in scripture's terms, sounds like a guy I can relate to. God, on the other hand, with his "unquestionable answers" does not. If I was forced to go to heaven after death, not only would I be sure I was delusional, I'd be experiencing a mental hell.

Makes me think that no matter how much good or bad I do in the world, once I know I'm reaching my end I should end me myself. Suicide is the greatest sin, so that should at least ensure me a trip to a more tolerable place. I've attempted suicide before and honestly do not regret attempting... but are attempts enough to actually do it? See I'm not big on pain, but I'd rather have physical pain than the mental death of me that would occur in heaven.

- Kin <3
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Posted 03/25/14 - 2:50 AM:

Kin,with all due respect, your post disturbed me. Suicide is not a sin issue, but a life and death issue. I've seen the face of suicide first hand and it's not a pretty picture. Without going into specifics, let me just say that I pulled a young man out of a car who had committed suicide. Standing there, looking at at him dead, I realized something very deep. It was the realization of the "finality" regarding suicide. For him there would be no more tomorrows, no more second chances. No more days that would bring something or someone special into his life. His psychic pain overwhelmed him. And, then of course, there would be those that he left behind, friends and loved one's wondering why, and they themselves enduring their own psychic pain: not for a few days but for years to come. No, no, no, suicide is not a pretty picture, and most certainly not the answer. Suicidal ideation or thoughts, even failed attempts, is a cry for help. In other words, STOP NOW AND SEEK HELP!!! All is not lost, and there are people out there who want to help. Kin, save your tomorrows, help is on the way. We love you, we need you, and you are special. Sincerely, Wentworth
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Posted 03/25/14 - 6:35 AM:

Wentworth,

I apologize for disturbing you. I am not currently suicidal though I have been in the past. And while I truly do not regret my attempts, I have my own reasons for not regretting that do not include wishing I had died.

While I do seriously consider suicide as a better alternative than old age, I have no plans to even of think the actual ideation (outside of escaping dementia etc) until I reach that point.

Moreover, my current mention of suicide came out of me pondering the thought experiment of dying and ending up in heaven or hell. I do think I would prefer hell over heaven and possibly over life, at the very least on a philosophical level. I also think that contrary to many beliefs, even if heaven and/or hell exist and I was sent to one of them, I still wouldn't be able to believe they exist.

Perhaps I should include that Sun brings out the worst in me. I did not intend to disturb nor worry you. As of today, I am only twenty-three... I've still got forty or more years to figure this all out.

- Kin <3
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Posted 03/25/14 - 11:14 AM:

KinNaoko90 wrote:
Wentworth,
I apologize for disturbing you.

Perhaps I should include that Sun brings out the worst in me. I did not intend to disturb nor worry you. As of today, I am only twenty-three... I've still got forty or more years to figure this all out.
- Kin <3


Kin, you are not alone, Sunlight brings out the worst in many people, especially himself. I sometimes wonder how advanced is his senility/dementia?
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Kin, you are not alone, Sunlight brings out the worst in many people, especially himself. I sometimes wonder how advanced is his senility/dementia?
............. ....and do the words of ST PAUL allso bring out the WORST in you when his teachings show up your false so called sunday worship under a woman pastor whiis FORBIDDEN by HOLY SCRIPTURE , so that you would attack a messenger of CHRIST shaking head
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