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KinNaoko90
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Posted 10/06/13 - 10:33 PM:
Subject: The Best Policy?
From Doc's and Sasquatch's recent conversation in the
Human Condition thread, it seems apparent that honesty
is an important virtue held by many.

So what say you? Is honesty the best policy?

Let your creative thought processes flow!

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Posted 10/06/13 - 10:40 PM:

Well obviously you don't believe in honesty being the best policy, since you think my feelings are TMI
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Posted 10/06/13 - 10:42 PM:

There is one advantage to honesty, you only have one story to remember. When you start lying you may tell different lies to different people in different situations, and then you need to keep track of all the different lies and who you told them to. I have enough trouble remembering who I told what true story to, and I end up repeating myself, and then my daughters will cut me off and say, "You told me that already", I believe they are telling the truth?
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Posted 10/06/13 - 10:51 PM:

thedoc wrote:
I believe they are telling the truth?


Doc, I have many such moments (and not because I lie, Miss SassCrotch!!!). I tend to have a poor memory (which I believe is strongly influenced by the medications I take). That being said, I actually highly value honesty. I just don't value receiving visuals of things that don't appeal to me. Once honest gets to that point, it becomes Too Much Info.

Just so you all know Sasquatch pretty much gave me permission to call her "quatch" to avoid being called "sass" and then realized it sounded to much like "crotch", hence her new nickname.

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Posted 10/06/13 - 10:52 PM:

HEY! It's hardly my fault that my therapist is so hot she makes me explode every time I see her! I'm just being honest in my talkings about it. Because the only way to deal with it for me is to talk about it, and since you are the only friend I have who listens to me.....you are screwed.
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Posted 10/06/13 - 11:04 PM:

You still didn't clarify what 'you' meant by 'TMI'?
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Posted 10/06/13 - 11:49 PM:

Sorry Doc XD

TMI as in
Too much information!

not as in
Three mile island XD

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Posted 10/07/13 - 1:15 AM:

Makes me think of game theory.

If dishonesty is normal and in some way self serving and one is disadvantaged on average by not being dishonest, then it might be worth it (normal). If you believe in 'tit for tat' you might avenge yourself by whatever deception fucked you over or made you lose.

Maybe I'd tend to be honest to the honest (we like to think most people are honest for the most part) and dishonest to the dishonest because we've dealt with them before and will not tolerate the ends of their dishonesty.

And if I have to lie to save my life (ala Billy Goats Gruff) I will.
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Posted 10/07/13 - 8:49 AM:

"Is honesty the best policy?"

It's 'a' policy...it has its place (as does lying).
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Posted 11/11/13 - 12:38 PM:

Just to add something else. Honesty, in the moral sense that you seem to be using it, has little to do with truth. I might believe something happened and tell it as such when in fact it never took place. So honesty is not about telling the truth, but about telling what you believe the truth to be. Of course, this also means that you may have an interpretation of things said or done that you may believe to be accurate (but that perhaps many others would not) and that you may tell as such. This would still have to count as being honest because you'd be telling, to the best of your ability and to the utmost of your moral fibre, the 'truth'.

I add this because, I think that the truth, as opposed to purposely fabricated lies, can also change; it can also result in multiple stories.

Having said all of that, I don't believe that honesty is necessarily the best policy in all circumstances. I also believe that truth has a much greater level of subjectivity than people give it credit for.

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R.
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Posted 11/11/13 - 12:49 PM:

There's a phrase from the movie Cloud Atlas that I'm rather fond of:

"Truth is singular. Its versions are mistruths."

The only difference between honesty and dishonesty is whether or not one intends to try to represent the truth.

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Posted 11/11/13 - 10:09 PM:

To quote Harry Browne, "The truth has always served me well."

Personally, I make it a point only to lie to my enemies. In principle, when you lie you intentionally try to corrupt someone's understanding of reality, which potentially harms them. Never lie to someone you would not punch in the face.
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Posted 12/13/13 - 2:57 AM:

When you speak, speak the truth (as you understand it).

When you are silent, neither truth nor falsehood are relevant.

Silence is golden.

Besides which, truth, like all human-constructed values, is relative.

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Posted 12/13/13 - 10:35 AM:

KinNaoko90 wrote:
Sorry Doc XD

TMI as in
Too much information!

not as in
Three mile island XD

-Kin <3



I am familiar with both. I live about 18 miles due west of Three Mile Island and worked in Carlisle Pa., a little farther west, during the accident. It's interesting to note that the farther away from the area, The worse and more dangerous the news reports were. A person I worked with had reason to travel to the west coast, and said the farther away from the site, the more dramatic and exaggerated the news reports.

I get TMI (Too Much Information) a lot from my daughter, usually when I'm explaining something about science or technology, but occasionally about my relationship with my wife. I think it was last week we were over at her house and were talking about her bringing the grandkids out later. I told her to call when she was ready to come out and not just show up at the door, cause sometimes it takes us a few minutes to get dressed. She put up her hands and stopped me from saying any more, while we were laughing.

This brings up something strange about our american culture. My wife and I have never tried to hide our sexuality, nor do we flaunt it in front of them, it's just left to be assumed. But my daughters reaction points up an attitude of some young people about their parents. "Do your parents have sex?" Is it that they don't want to know, or do they deny it and believe it doesn't happen. It seems very one sided that we are aware of our children's sexuality, they all have kids, but it seems they want to deny ours? Or is it that after you have your last child, you're just expected to stop, and live like celibate monks?
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