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thedoc
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Posted 02/08/13 - 6:44 PM:

Perhaps I could clarify what is ment by culling the herd. I will assume that you have heard of culling the herd, but the real question is have you heard the call to cull the herd. The herd must first be called, or the culling will not be sucessful due the the herd not hearing the call to be culled. So the calling of the herd must be clear so the herd will hear the call to be culled and the culling will then be sucessful because the herd has heard the call to be culled. So the culling wil be sucessful due to the herd having properly heard the call to be culled and the culling can then procede sucessfully and further calls to be culled will not be necessary and the herd will then not need to have heard further calls to be culled and the herd can continue and not hear further calls for the herd to be culled. Clear?
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Posted 02/08/13 - 7:37 PM:

praxis wrote:


I wouldn't say it, but some say that "that which doesn't kill me makes me stronger." A good point, I'm sure.


'Some' are foolish and deserve what they get.

Most things that don't kill you only make you weaker...until you actually do die...or want to but are too weak to do it yourself.

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Posted 02/08/13 - 7:40 PM:

henry quirk wrote:

Nonsensical.

If A assesses B as deserving of culling, obviously A assesses him- or her-self as better than B and not deserving of culling.

I'm not arguing that A is, in fact, 'right' in his or her assessments. I'm only pointing out your response is nonsensical and reactionary.


No, it isn't nonsensical. It is reactionary because I am tired of human beings treating other human beings with extreme distaste. This self-hatred is disgusting and serves no noble purpose. But it does empower those in power.

There was no mention of which persons ought to be culled, only a generic sentiment that human beings ought to be culled. So there was no assertion of superiority or inferiority, so your observation is actually a projection, ie, a fantasy, ha.

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Posted 02/08/13 - 7:49 PM:

thedoc wrote:
Whether people believe in culling or not is irrevelant, the Human herd is being culled. There is disease, accidents, war, and crime that tends to thin the herd, unfortunately the culling is not keeping up with the supply. The other problem is that those who should be culled, or at least not allowed to pass on faulty genes, are not being selected. If someone knows that they have some genitic defect, they should volunteraly choose to not have children. Many genitic defects and diseases could be eliminated or reduced this way. It could also enhance humanities over all ability for rational thought, perhaps an 'IQ' test for breeding rights.


The scary thing is that there are people who think like you do that are in positions of real power in this world.

And none of them, yourself included, give a rats ass about 'enhancing humanity'. The belief is that humans can somehow improve on nature and do better than evolution and act entirely contrary to the natural order, and that this passes for 'improvement' and 'enhancement' when it only leads to degradation and stagnation. And supports an absolute class structure where the rich and powerful stay on top and feed off the rest of the fodder and cattle.


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There are some foolish people who do not believe the world is overpopulated with people, and have expressed the idea that they would be comfortable with bulldozing wild places to make room for more people. That comment ended a conversation I was having rather quickly. The problem is not with how much area each person occupies, but with how much of the Earths resources each person uses.


I'm also tired of this nonsense.

The world is not over populated. The world is not stressing because of human beings. Do you know how big and robust a planet is?

The problem isn't lack of resources, but distribution. Whose problem is economics, whose problem is politics, whose problem lies in the same old class structure that has kept humanity low for time immemorial where the rich and powerful sit atop the mountain and manipulate, kill, and destroy the masses as they please.

Many barriers are false and most are artificially created.

Most have their roots in money.

People aren't living. They're serving. They neither know who or what they serve, but serve they do...right onto the dinner platter.

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Posted 02/08/13 - 7:53 PM:

I'd like to point out that people have been starving since the beginning of time. So going hungry is nothing new. Nor is it a sign that there are too many people around.

The truth is that no person in this world today needs to go hungry. But we choose not to support our brothers and sisters and rather support a system that makes sure that some of our brothers and sisters will die. We want them to die. We don't want them to live. If we did we'd make real changes in how we ourselves live.

But we don't. And it doesn't look like we will.

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Posted 02/08/13 - 7:55 PM:

Anyway, as my final thought, death is nothing, and so it can't ever be 'worse' than torture, which is a prolonged state of suffering.

Ask anyone if they would rather endure a prolonged state of agonizing suffering or not, and guess which they will choose.

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Posted 02/08/13 - 8:43 PM:

Monk2400 wrote:
Anyway, as my final thought, death is nothing, and so it can't ever be 'worse' than torture, which is a prolonged state of suffering.

Ask anyone if they would rather endure a prolonged state of agonizing suffering or not, and guess which they will choose.

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I would prefer to endure and survive, then I could hunt down those who did it to me, and inflict the same suffering on them, but they would not survive to hunt me down, nor would their families and friends. Their last sight would be seeing their loved ones dieing.

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Posted 02/08/13 - 8:43 PM:

Culling the herd of those unfit for society.
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Posted 02/08/13 - 8:48 PM:

Overpopulation is not a question of how many indeviduals there are per square mile of land, but of how much impact that population has on the environment, and Humans are having a detremental effect on the environment, even those who are starving. The environment is being destroyed, only the blind fail to see it.
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Posted 02/08/13 - 8:50 PM:

Monk, what extremist fundamental church do you attend, that way I can look up your core beliefs to better understand where you are comeing from.
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Posted 02/11/13 - 10:28 AM:

Monk,

I merely point out if Sam believes Jack ought to die (while he, Sam, should live) it naturally follows Sam believes himself worthy of living and Jack not-worthy. If this is the case, it indeed is nonsensical (and reactionary) to suggest Sam should off himself to 'lead by example'.

*shrug*
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Posted 02/18/13 - 1:43 AM:

Speaking only for me: punish both equally.

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