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libertygrl
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Posted 09/11/12 - 12:41 PM:
Subject: Why not pluralism?
Joe says "I like strawberry ice cream."

Mary says "I like mocha."

They each shrug and go on about their ice cream date, enjoying their respective flavors and respecting each other's preferences, neither of them saying, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!?" Well, ok, they might, but probably in a joking way.

It seems so simple and this kind of pluralistic tolerance can be seen in all sorts of areas varying from opinions on movies to choice of hairstyles and clothing. I mean, someone may have a difference of opinion, thinking to themselves, or even saying out loud "I would never wear that" or "I don't know why you like that movie so much" but you don't see people trying to force each other to conform, for example trying to make laws that force vendors to sell only one kind of ice cream, or ending longstanding friendships after learning that the other person liked a movie you hated.

Yet, when the matter turns to things like religion or politics, you don't often see that same kind of tolerance. Differences can cause extremely heated disagreements which can end relationships or at least make them very awkward from that point onward. Why is that? Any thoughts?
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Posted 09/11/12 - 12:53 PM:

Because of 'false religiosity.'

Political or religious feeling of belonging to a school and deriving pseudo pleasure from it outstrips mere enjoying of ice-creams or wearing jeans.

Religions and political opinions are not as 'simple choices,' as others mentioned in opening post.

They(even if they're false) come from 'deeper cravings.'


But without any doubt(in my mind):

True religion, true love and true peace will never be narrow minded and would embrace every religion as its own in essence.

If there is hatred and dogma and preaching and proselytizing and unnecessary argumentation in the name of a holy figure---it's just ego-nourishing itself in round-about ways in many guises and not love.
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Posted 09/11/12 - 1:08 PM:

Thinker wrote:
Religions and political opinions are not as 'simple choices,' as others mentioned in opening post.

They(even if they're false) come from 'deeper cravings.'

I agree but what do you think makes them "deeper cravings". Do you suppose it's something chemical? What is it about those matters in particular that cause the valuing of them to be so profound? After all, food and clothing are ego-nourishing in their own ways. What do you think?
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Posted 09/11/12 - 2:29 PM:

When people have questions, they usually want answers, and are not often satisfied with "I don't know". So religions that have raised many questions are now in a position of needing to supply answers. This results in much that is taught as an illustration of a point, becomes concretized as dogma and articles of faith, that are to be accepted without question. True religion is a mystery, much of it is beyond human understanding, but the demand is for concrete answers, and these are provided in order to keep the cash comeing in to support the 'church' and those who opperate it. Intolerance of the others is a ploy to protect the financial base and protect the establishment.
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Posted 09/11/12 - 3:13 PM:

Very interesting point doc, would not have thought of it that way. Could almost be likened to jealous spouses feeling threatened of someone trying to take their place.
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Posted 09/11/12 - 3:13 PM:

Thinker wrote:
True religion, true love and true peace will never be narrow minded and would embrace every religion as its own in essence.

by the way, thumb up
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Posted 09/12/12 - 2:13 AM:

lib wrote:
After all, food and clothing are ego-nourishing in their own ways. What do you think?


My point was obvious--if I am offered to wear black jeans, even when I like wearing blue--it might be tolerable, but getting religion A instead of religion B is not that easy a choice to make--I think more.

Similar to getting a spouse or even more complex is choosing your religious values. smiling face

Edited by Thinker13 on 09/12/12 - 11:15 AM
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Posted 09/12/12 - 8:21 AM:

I would really question how much choice is involved in ones religion. People are usually brought up in a family and if that family attends a religious service, this is what the child will grow up with, and feel comfortable with. I like to think that I chose to stay in the religion of my youth, but sometimes I'm not sure how much of a choice it was. If someone grows up outside of any religion and then takes it up later in life, that is definitely a choice on their part. Many people I know grew up attending the church they now attend.
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Posted 09/12/12 - 8:36 AM:

"…this kind of pluralistic tolerance can be seen in all sorts of areas varying from opinions on movies to choice of hairstyles and clothing.


I think it depends on the circles one travels in.

I imagine in the world of high fashion, for example, hairstyle, makeup, and the latest workout regimen are far more important than politics or religion (mostly because hairstyle, makeup, and the latest workout regimen 'are' the religion and politics of that world).

Thinker is right when he says religion and politics belong to a school (have the same root) and it's the root that's in question, not the particular fruit that extends out from it.
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Posted 09/18/12 - 8:24 PM:

There is a lot to think about in the question.

Cite any specific issue of controversy in politics and we know what the popular arguments of either side usually are.

I'm of the opinion that great deal of misinformation in media serves ulterior interests. Special interest groups stand to gain from encouraging political resistance or a particular slant on an issue. Often the public perception of what is at stake for us voters is woefully exaggerated and manipulated (if you watch television of listen to the radio).

Fear of the other side (or others) is often promoted, especially in times where people are suffering economically. There is a greater atmosphere of desperation and thus people become more radical in their political outlook and less tolerant of perceived threats.
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Posted 09/18/12 - 10:19 PM:

Throughout history 'the other' has probagly been the most common rallying cry for agression against 'the other'. The media is selling a product, and that product is the ideology of those in power, who want to stay in power. As an illustration, I would caution against believing anything said or written about any religion, by someone outside that religion, especially someone of a different religion. Both the media and religion are selling, religion is selling their own product and must discredit others. Media is selling the product of the sponsor and cannot allienate those sponsors, but they can attempt to discredit the competition of those sponsors. Politics has been reduced to selling us a product, it is a war of words, and the first casuality of war, is the truth.
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