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Posted 07/20/12 - 12:53 PM:
Subject: Gun control?
In light of the recently Colorado shooting, I was curious to know if anyone feels that tighter gun control would prevent this kind of tragedy in the future. Thoughts?
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Posted 07/20/12 - 1:04 PM:

I have read elsewhere that legislation controlling 'guns kept personally' was in circulation for a while, but then there are people 'for' and 'against' it.

Humanity, as long as you see through various cultures, traditions and mythology, has tried to keep weapons with them. Sometimes they used weapons made from objects around them and at others they designed them specifically.

At once and still in some regions weapons are required to control wildlife which seems sane to me(,but I did not say that I like shooting animals.)

I think it's 'rage'(Kali) in Kaliyuga, which is caused by the anger and himsa(violence) which is the true problem and not the guns.

However, it's also true that bigger the weapon in the hands of the mad monkey more the damage. It depends on context as well: Do you think that nuclear holocaust helped in stopping world war or consider it an aghast mass-murder by a vengeful nation?


In my opinion, if people had a little bit more tolerance and compassion there wouldn't have been any need of weapons in places which are not wild; but then, if animals roam around freely in the form of man, under the possession of darkness, even cities are like wildlife, so then who knows what.

The answer is--it's a temporary solution. If people started cultivating more harmonious thoughts towards each and started speaking Truth, the world would have become a prosperous and peaceful place.
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Posted 07/20/12 - 1:09 PM:

As asides: James Holmes looks like a name which is a patch of James Moriarty and Sherlock Holmes; dramatically, James precedes Holmes.


My questions:

A. Do you think that someone could do this as a publicity stunt?

B. Do you think that this 'time of turbulence-recession and political campaigns,' was chosen after a lot of thinking for this movie's release?

People have gone as far as saying that it's Romney playing games.

What do you think?
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Posted 07/20/12 - 1:43 PM:

A friend of mine felt it important to have me add:

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

I would never personally own a gun. I hate the implications of even having a firearm in my home. However, as my roommate pointed out, better safe than sorry. We don't exactly live in the best town. People have been shot here recently and things have been going downhill since... before I moved to the area. In the case that someone broke in with a gun, I have given my roommate permission to carry one.

He presents a sound argument for it. I present a sound argument against it. However, this is on the conditions that I never have to touch it except in the case that something happens to him and it needs to be unloaded, that when not on him it remains locked away, and that whatever he locks it in is out of reach of children.

I can see it both ways... but regardless of the quote earlier, guns are tools meant for killing.

-Kin heart
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Posted 07/20/12 - 3:36 PM:

Thinker13 wrote:

I think it's 'rage'(Kali) in Kaliyuga, which is caused by the anger and himsa(violence) which is the true problem and not the guns.


I would say 'Gun Control' is a political 'Red Herring' and it is people control that is necessary as in 'self control' and those who cannot, need to be helped.

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

I would also think that most kinds of weapons were originally intended for humting but were certainly improved and made more effective in war, criminal activity is just opertunitistic and created nothing itself.

Guns are just things and have no intent or purpose of their own. That you chose not to use a gun is for you to choose, but if you want to punch nice holes in a paper target at a distance, it would be good to have the proper tool.

BTW I have owned guns and do enjoy target shooting for recreation. Self defence is secondary and I no longer have the oportunity to hunt.

Edited by thedoc on 07/20/12 - 3:42 PM
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Posted 07/20/12 - 3:40 PM:

People who randomly shoot other people are sick and need to be dealt with. Those who shoot someone for a reason are another matter, whether it is murder, self defence, or an accident, it is not the kind or sickness seen in these mass, random killings.
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Posted 07/22/12 - 3:48 AM:

libertygrl wrote:
In light of the recently Colorado shooting, I was curious to know if anyone feels that tighter gun control would prevent this kind of tragedy in the future. Thoughts?


It might, but the trade off is that as soon as the gov't gets the green light on that issue, it will be only a short matter of time before the citizenry will be disarmed and the criminals will have the advantage. (Actually, here in the US it will be more like the citizenry will made into criminals because, I suspect, not many will willingly give up their guns.)

It's been a tooth and nail battle just to be at the point we are now where it's still legal for the good citizen to own first-class personal defense in most areas (i.e. a large caliber handgun--aka "the great equalizer").
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Posted 07/22/12 - 10:49 AM:

thedoc wrote:


I would say 'Gun Control' is a political 'Red Herring' and it is people control that is necessary as in 'self control' and those who cannot, need to be helped.

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

I would also think that most kinds of weapons were originally intended for humting but were certainly improved and made more effective in war, criminal activity is just opertunitistic and created nothing itself.

Guns are just things and have no intent or purpose of their own. That you chose not to use a gun is for you to choose, but if you want to punch nice holes in a paper target at a distance, it would be good to have the proper tool.
You do mean that brains kill people, not "people kill people" - right? After all, the human body is merely a thing controlled by the brain. The finger can't pull the trigger without the brain, and more specifically, emotion, telling it to.

So the argument comes down to: what thing do we choose to put away, the body or the gun? America has been choosing to lock up the body. You see, it's a matter of which is controlled.

I find it completely screwy that guns enjoy more freedom than people do. I'd bet the NRA could make a convincing case to their members that lobotomizing people is more acceptable to giving up guns.

Seriously though: what in the world are we doing going to movie theaters to watch pure violence dressed up in a skewed version of morality anyway? And taking one's kids? Absurd! There's our problem that nobody wants to talk about.
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Posted 07/22/12 - 11:06 AM:

cripes wrote:

Seriously though: what in the world are we doing going to movie theaters to watch pure violence dressed up in a skewed version of morality anyway? And taking one's kids? Absurd! There's our problem that nobody wants to talk about.



Agreed. Years ago I bought a business, a hobby shop and one of the product lines was the 'Dungeons and Dragons' game series. After giving it some thought I dropped the line because of the implied violence.
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Posted 07/22/12 - 11:26 AM:

cripes wrote:
You do mean that brains kill people, not "people kill people" - right? After all, the human body is merely a thing controlled by the brain. The finger can't pull the trigger without the brain, and more specifically, emotion, telling it to.

So the argument comes down to: what thing do we choose to put away, the body or the gun? America has been choosing to lock up the body. You see, it's a matter of which is controlled.

I find it completely screwy that guns enjoy more freedom than people do. I'd bet the NRA could make a convincing case to their members that lobotomizing people is more acceptable to giving up guns.

Seriously though: what in the world are we doing going to movie theaters to watch pure violence dressed up in a skewed version of morality anyway? And taking one's kids? Absurd! There's our problem that nobody wants to talk about.


Cripes, had what you are suggesting been done long long back with nuclear weapons, missiles, and other things by entire world, there would have been no defense budgets and people would have devoted their time, resources and energy in eradicating poverty, suffering and eco-system would have improved a hundred-fold and catastrophes would have been less damaging, if at all.

But...
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Posted 07/22/12 - 11:32 AM:

I confess that I have watched many gory-violent movies and they do affect our sensitive brain, but I must appreciate that I did not see them before my graduation. Indian middle class society does not yet allow pure-violence and obscenity for small children, which is a good thing but we are very quickly catching-up with West.


OTOH, I do think that like nightmares some such movies and horror movies especially, might release the 'darkness' from subconscious by conscious thinking about Darkness(tamoguna) but then who knows?


Hey, if any of you're interested in reading about what violence could do to brain and Kundalini, Google 'Gopinatha, Kundalini' --the author has written many books on Kundalini and it's a good read.

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Posted 07/22/12 - 2:37 PM:

Thinker13 wrote:


Cripes, had what you are suggesting been done long long back with nuclear weapons, missiles, and other things by entire world, there would have been no defense budgets and people would have devoted their time, resources and energy in eradicating poverty, suffering and eco-system would have improved a hundred-fold and catastrophes would have been less damaging, if at all.

But...



It has been tried, 'Washington Naval Treaty 1925' and many more, but it didn't work very well because no-one trusted the others and some got greedy.
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Posted 07/22/12 - 4:38 PM:

thedoc wrote:



It has been tried, 'Washington Naval Treaty 1925' and many more, but it didn't work very well because no-one trusted the others and some got greedy.



Oh, I must agree, trusting is so difficult, doubting is too easy and this is because people who should keep park their doubts besides their Higgs-Boson laboratory carry it home, just joking. sticking out tongue
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