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Hindu God: Formless and Otherwise

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Thinker13
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Posted 07/12/12 - 4:50 AM:
Subject: Hindu God: Formless and Otherwise
The argument for body of God in Hinduism.

The argument given is: Since God is a creator and super-set of all the forms and properties possible, God is capable of taking forms and does take forms for the same reason for which he creates us: He is playing and in this play balance between Dharma-rigteousness and Adharma is to be restored time and again.

But please note: Bramh in Hinduism is capable of both form and formlessness.

The question is: Do you find this argument to be convincing?
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Posted 07/12/12 - 8:36 AM:

Several years ago I posted this about God and the opperation of the Universe,

"Right, from the begining. by thedoc
Jun 1, 2008 11:43:00 PM cite

I believe that you are correct and I think it is miraculous that God could touch off creation with the Big Bang, setting all the laws of physics in place and all matter and energy in motion, knowing where it would end up. Scientists tell us that if the laws of physics had been slightly different, life would not exist, stars and the planets might not exist. For the universe, as we know it, to exist the laws of physics, quantum mechanics, and cosmology, had to be as they are to a very small fraction. It would have been quite mundane if God had started everything and then had to twiddle, and adjust, and tamper with things to get it right. To me it is more miraculous to think that God started everything and then watched, smiling, as everything progressed just as he planed it. A lesser God who did not get it right from the begining does not come up to my expectations.
by thedoc"

However there is also the consideration that God created the Universe setting things in motion but the 'Gift' of free will to Humans allowed some randomness to the events that were to follow, and if this was intentional, it is still within the framwork of God. Some will argue that God knows before hand all the decisions that will be made, and then use this as an argument for determinism and no free will. It seems that there is some room for disagreement with foreknowledge and determinism.
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Posted 07/12/12 - 8:52 AM:

Big Bang is being challenged by cycles of creation of universes. Do you know that it's written in Hindu scriptures that exhalation of Mahavishnu who is sleeping in a sea of a fluid gives birth to many universes? I had an interest in multiverse theory of Physics but that a theory in Hindu scriptures suggests that exhalations of a divine being give rise to many universes and inhalations let those universes dissolve back into him, is quite astonishing for me.
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Posted 07/12/12 - 6:15 PM:

The Big Bang is not in conflict with a cyclic universe since there is nothing that comes through the cusp of the Big Bang so this does not preclude a universe ezisting before. Without looking it up I remember something about a Hindu God who dreams the universe into existance, occasionally stirs, the universe disapears, and on dreaming again bringe another into existance. Not the same as breathing in and out but cyclic in dreaming, waking, and dreaming again. The theory of a cycling universe does not challenge the Big Bang, we just happen to exist in this particular cycle.
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Posted 07/13/12 - 1:33 AM:

thedoc wrote:
The Big Bang is not in conflict with a cyclic universe since there is nothing that comes through the cusp of the Big Bang so this does not preclude a universe ezisting before. Without looking it up I remember something about a Hindu God who dreams the universe into existance, occasionally stirs, the universe disapears, and on dreaming again bringe another into existance. Not the same as breathing in and out but cyclic in dreaming, waking, and dreaming again. The theory of a cycling universe does not challenge the Big Bang, we just happen to exist in this particular cycle.



Perhaps you're right thedoc, but I said that because Big Bang supposes a concentrated mass as origin of universes--some new theories say otherwise---they say that what we interpret as Big Bang was actually a push from another universe existing in another dimension through a wormhole. I think you have heard about modern physics accepting ten dimensions---this universe existed beyond three dimensions and gave a push to our universe.
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