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Thinker13
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Posted 05/30/12 - 1:27 PM:
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"Jesus Lived In India," is the name of book, which has been with me for enough long now. No, don't get me wrong; I have yet not started to read it. But I intend to do so.


What is the reason?


Jesus is one of the most charismatic figures in the history of humans. I was born in India. Are these two reasons sufficient to make me read this book? I don't think so. Let me dig further: In my school days, I had read in an article in a Hindi monthly magazine called 'Akhand Jyoti' about researchers who have investigated about Jesus' life. The article described in detail about the findings of those researcher, but I wanted to know more, therefore I needed to read this book, but it was a long ago and this urge became subconscious.



A few days ago, while waiting for a friend at a railway station, I had a go at the books in a bookstore and I occassionally do so, but don't guess about my intellectual prowess by that, in the name of holy ass hub(Pun unintended!). I found this book in the bookstore and brought it and since then it has been taking rest without getting any undue attention from me. Yes, books, magazines and newspapers never complain about getting any undue attention from me.




Now, I have decided to start reading it. It's written by Holger Kersten, who claims in his preface that he has done substantial research and the book is a great success. Well, reading it would help me learn a bit about Moses and other prophets who came before Jesus. If you have read this book, and you want to share your ideas about it, with me, please let me know.
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Posted 05/30/12 - 5:37 PM:

If you enjoy that book here is another you might like, 'Jesus' by Tricia McMannon. I have read it and the book claims to be an account of the 30 years that are not accounted for in the Bible. According to the book the Bible's last record is at age 12 and the book then claims that it was 30 years till he started his ministry putting his age at crucifixion at 45. During the 30 years he was quite a world traveler visiting from India and Tibet to Britian,and studying extensivly in many of those places. The book credits this study in the formation of his message, and also claims he had a traveling companion who played a major role in his ministry.
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Posted 05/31/12 - 6:06 PM:

Oh, I don't know...some people claim he lived in Japan, too:

Tomb of Jesus in Aomori Prefecture, Japan

And of course, some people also claim he was never born in the first place.

The fact is, we don't know much about the historical figure of Yeshua Ben Yosef. This is unsurprising, given that he was a working class guy born in the armpit of the Roman Empire around two millenia ago. The "Bible", as Christians know it today, was the result of a long series of compilations and councils that decided what to put in and what to put out (see the Gospel of Thomas, for instance). Christianity as the institution exists today has little to do with the actual teachings of Jesus. It's more of a religion about Jesus, rather than being the religion of Jesus.
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Posted 05/31/12 - 10:52 PM:

Samvega wrote:

Christianity as the institution exists today has little to do with the actual teachings of Jesus. It's more of a religion about Jesus, rather than being the religion of Jesus.



Yes but I don't think I would say that outloud in church on sunday, but I think I could bring it up with Pastor, as I think she has a more advances understanding of Christianity than the average member. We've talked about things like this before and she discribed me as an anomaly in the congregation.
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Posted 06/01/12 - 12:21 PM:

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If you enjoy that book here is another you might like, 'Jesus' by Tricia McMannon. I have read it and the book claims to be an account of the 30 years that are not accounted for in the Bible. According to the book the Bible's last record is at age 12 and the book then claims that it was 30 years till he started his ministry putting his age at crucifixion at 45. During the 30 years he was quite a world traveler visiting from India and Tibet to Britian,and studying extensivly in many of those places. The book credits this study in the formation of his message, and also claims he had a traveling companion who played a major role in his ministry.


Thank you, for recommendation, thedoc.

Your response triggered a question, and I seek answer from all of the readers:

Suppose Jesus did travel across the globe, in those unaccounted years as many claim: Why did he end up on a cross in Golgotha? Was it that he wanted to heal and enlighten people in the country of his birth?

For an enlightened person, the entire world becomes hometown, therefore, it doesn't seem justified.

Did it happen perchance that Jesus was again visiting Jerusalem and circumstances caused his cruxification?

I don't know, but yes, it's speculation upon speculation. Answer as you like.
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Posted 06/01/12 - 8:39 PM:

According to the book, Jesus came to the crucifixion as a result of all the training and learning that he had acquired during those years traveling. It was his destiny and purpose in life.

For myself, I don't need to understand, I just accept the mythology and let the argument to others.
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Posted 06/02/12 - 10:45 AM:

thedoc wrote:
According to the book, Jesus came to the crucifixion as a result of all the training and learning that he had acquired during those years traveling. It was his destiny and purpose in life.

For myself, I don't need to understand, I just accept the mythology and let the argument to others.



His destiny was to establish "love" by sacrifice just for the people of a particular region--tends to trigger more questions.
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Posted 06/02/12 - 3:06 PM:

It is my understanding that the 'sacrifice' was intended for all people who would accept the 'gift'. This becomes clear later, especially with Paul.
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Posted 06/03/12 - 2:26 PM:

thedoc wrote:
It is my understanding that the 'sacrifice' was intended for all people who would accept the 'gift'. This becomes clear later, especially with Paul.


The first few lines of the introduction of the book I am reading, suggest that "Paulinism": Paul's doctrines, radically different from what message of Jesus was created the entirety of Christianity later on. I am not sure how objective this statement is.
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Posted 06/03/12 - 5:32 PM:

Agreed, much of Paul's teaching was at odds with the teaching's of Jesus, but this point may have been pretty close. Sometimes a person can can get some things right while getting other things wrong.
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Posted 06/04/12 - 7:50 AM:

QUOTE THE DOC :Agreed, much of Paul's teaching was at odds with the teaching's of Jesus


what teachings are those doc ? please give us an example smiling face

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Posted 06/04/12 - 8:01 AM:

quote the doc :According to the book the Bible's last record is at age 12 and the book then claims that it was 30 years till he started his ministry putting his age at crucifixion at 45.

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The BIBLE says that JESUS was 30 years old when he was baptised and since his ministry lasted 3 and half years that would place his age at crucifixion at 33 and half years NOT 45 .smiling face
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Posted 06/04/12 - 8:08 AM:

QUOTE THINKERE 13
The first few lines of the introduction of the book I am reading, suggest that "Paulinism": Paul's doctrines, radically different from what message of Jesus was created the entirety of Christianity later on. I am not sure how objective this statement is.

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If you really want to know , then istead of reading what a book says it would be better to read what the bible says about JESUS and PAULS teachings to see if they differ smiling face
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Posted 06/04/12 - 8:18 AM:

QUOTE THINKER13 grinid it happen perchance that Jesus was again visiting Jerusalem and circumstances caused his cruxification
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The messages of the OLD testament show that the MESSIAH had to die on the cross in JERUSALEM as an acceptable sacrifice for peoples sins and JESUS was fulling those prophecies
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Posted 06/04/12 - 11:44 AM:

One of Pauls most offensive errors,

"1 Corinthians 14:34-35
New King James Version (NKJV)

34 Let your[a] women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church."
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Posted 06/04/12 - 11:48 AM:

SUNLIGHT wrote:
quote the doc :According to the book the Bible's last record is at age 12 and the book then claims that it was 30 years till he started his ministry putting his age at crucifixion at 45.

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The BIBLE says that JESUS was 30 years old when he was baptised and since his ministry lasted 3 and half years that would place his age at crucifixion at 33 and half years NOT 45 .smiling face



The Bible in mostly Mythology, and not a historical text, so much is exagerated or altered for effect, as in story telling. There may be some religious symbolism for the author of the book to put his age at 33 years.
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Posted 06/05/12 - 1:35 PM:

SUNLIGHT wrote:
QUOTE THINKER13 grinid it happen perchance that Jesus was again visiting Jerusalem and circumstances caused his cruxification
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The messages of the OLD testament show that the MESSIAH had to die on the cross in JERUSALEM as an acceptable sacrifice for peoples sins and JESUS was fulling those prophecies



If you read up-thread closely, you would realize that I did stress on choices of Jesus-the-enlightened-man. For an enlightened person the entire world becomes a family, or something like that. though story teller in Bible might allude to prophesies as a reason, I am asking you to look from the view-point of fully flowered consciousness of Jesus--why would he choose to die for people in the place of his birth after having been through so many places, makes me curiouser.
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Posted 06/05/12 - 1:45 PM:

thedoc wrote:
One of Pauls most offensive errors,

"1 Corinthians 14:34-35
New King James Version (NKJV)

34 Let your[a] women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church."

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So how does that contradict what JESUS taught doc ? and if PAUL is quoting from the LAWS OF MOSES how is it HIS offence or
error ?rolling eyes
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Posted 06/05/12 - 3:19 PM:

Much of the Bible, that we now have, was written or recopied around 200 AD and reflected the ideology of the Patriarchal leaders of the time, which was the suppression of women and not the teachings of Jesus or Moses.
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Posted 06/06/12 - 8:29 AM:

quote thinker13 :why would he choose to die for people in the place of his birth after having been through so many places, makes me curiouser.

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i thought i already made that clear ? ..JESUS had to fullfill the messiahanic prophecies of GOD THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT that said the messiah would die in JERUSALEM , JESUS came to do GODS will , and that was to die in JERUSALEM ON A CROSS , to atone for the sins of the people
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Posted 06/06/12 - 12:36 PM:

That is what you have said, but that doesn't make it the correct intrepretation of the Bible.

Edited by thedoc on 06/06/12 - 1:08 PM
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Posted 06/06/12 - 3:26 PM:

SUNLIGHT wrote:

i thought i already made that clear ? ..JESUS had to fullfill the messiahanic prophecies of GOD THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT that said the messiah would die in JERUSALEM , JESUS came to do GODS will , and that was to die in JERUSALEM ON A CROSS , to atone for the sins of the people


Yes, but how do you know this?

Jews have the 'Old Testament' too, and they clearly don't think Jesus was the Messiah. Muslims also revere the Old Testament Prophets, and Jesus, but they don't believe that he actually physically died on the cross. Yazdanis believe that the Shi'ite Imam Ali was also the incarnation of God along with with their own particular set of prophets.

There are as many different interpretations of the Bible as there are readers. Why is your interpretation the best or most plausible one?
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Posted 06/06/12 - 4:26 PM:

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quote thinker13 :why would he choose to die for people in the place of his birth after having been through so many places, makes me curiouser.

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i thought i already made that clear ? ..JESUS had to fullfill the messiahanic prophecies of GOD THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT that said the messiah would die in JERUSALEM , JESUS came to do GODS will , and that was to die in JERUSALEM ON A CROSS , to atone for the sins of the people



You just picked your part of the quotation from my post, overlooking the 'flowering of consciousness and enlightenment' thingy. Didn't you?
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Yazdanis believe that the Shi'ite Imam Ali was also the incarnation of God along with with their own particular set of prophets.


This is very interesting, because except Hinduism, I don't know of any other religion in which messengers of God are considered to be incarnations of God.
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Posted 06/06/12 - 9:23 PM:

Thinker13 wrote:


This is very interesting, because except Hinduism, I don't know of any other religion in which messengers of God are considered to be incarnations of God.



I think this would depend on how you intrepret things. In Buddhism the belief is that all are a part of a 'universal consciousness' (or whatever other term you prefer) and the preception of seperateness in just an illusion. In Christianity each believer is said to have received the 'Holy Spirit' (One manestification of God) as well as being created in the image of God, so they could be considered as an incarnation of God. In either of these anyone could be seen as a messenger of the word.

It all depends on whether you hold a very narrow or a very wide view of what is an incarnation of God.
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