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Posted 07/10/12 - 2:34 AM:

I have observed following things about SUNLIGHT { Sure as hell he and others would have observed many things about me as well. }

A. He has a great faith in Bible and God and considers them authentic.

B. Though it might seem slightly incompatible with 'A' at times{ but don't take it as 'completely improbable' because they can exist as two different dimensions in a person's life.} he has a great faith in existence of extra-terrestrial life.

C. He uses 'h m m' instead of 'hmm' which seems to be playful and I have requested him to tell me about his preference but he doesn't.
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Posted 07/10/12 - 2:44 AM:

There are 2 fundamental questions regarding Alliens, If they are here, Why are they hiding? and Why would they want to come here in the first place? Surely not to seek intelligent life.

I think I have an answer about these questions, a theory which I have read from various sources and speculated about. This is not related to what Sunlight has observed.

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If they are here, Why are they hiding?



Stanley Kubrick had what I call a 'sublime image' of many life-forms which are on, beyond earth and beyond Milky Way planets. Then, very recently I saw a video where an American Astrophysicist(Michio Kaku) gave, what I might call 'most exciting' idea about aliens. He said that there might be beings at following levels of evolutionary ladder:

A. Cultures which are able to control weather of their planets and all the natural events on their planets.
B. Cultures which are able to control events at the level of solar systems.
C. Cultures able to control all the natural events in a galaxy.
D. Cultures able to control events in universes.

What I have written above is what I recall from that video.

I think, it's a very intriguing theory because so many sub-sets controlling things at their levels exist according to it and at every level controllers are unaware of existence of more evolved beings, because more evolved beings don't reveal themselves.

That Astrophysicist suggested: Why these more evolved beings don't interact with us is--because we don't matter. We are like dust particles for those cultures which control events at the galactic level and then it's pretty obvious that we are not of much use if they interact with us. There is no 'common zone' of communication where we could co-exist with them.

Even Kubrick suggested that billions of years of evolution on many planets might have made life forms so evolved as to be God-like spirit forms not needing any bodily vehicles to exist and there might be no need of procreation or sustenance--but that eternal bliss is pretty boring--isn't it?

These are all theories of course.

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Surely not to seek intelligent life.


You cannot be too sure about it, but if it was joke then it's fine because we are sitting on a pile of nuclear weapons ready to get exploded anytime.laughing
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Posted 07/10/12 - 4:45 AM:

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Dr. Michio Kaku (born in the United States) is a Japanese American theoretical physicist, tenured professor, and co-founder of string field theory, a branch of super-string theory.

While it is the belief by many that mainstream scientists reject any notions of extraterrestrial civilizations or aliens, Kaku is very unique. Not only does he believe in ETs, he also lays down a framework for their existence in his numerous books.

The probability is very high that not only do a few alien civilizations exist, but many. Kaku in his book Hyperspace compares humans as fish in a pond, only aware of the environment around them, not realizing there is a huge world outside the pond. In an article at his website Kaku had this to say in regards to Carl Sagan, another believer in alien civilizations: The late Carl Sagan once asked this question, “What does it mean for a civilization to be a million years old? We have had radio telescopes and spaceships for a few decades; our technical civilization is a few hundred years old… an advanced civilization millions of years old is as much beyond us as we are beyond a bush baby or a macaque.”

This answers the question that many debunkers have raised for years. For years they have asked why aliens don’t just announce their presence, or land in Times Square.

The reason that they will not do this is because if you are dealing with beings that are tens of thousands of years ahead of us, even millions, they would not be interested in us. Are you interested in an ant while you walk down the street?

Would you try to explain to a dog how to perform a complex equation? Most likely you would not, because a dog would not be capable of comprehending it. Now imagine an advanced civilization that are thousands of years ahead of us. See my point?

Kaku lays down a framework of levels of civilizations. Type 1, Type 2, and Type 3. Here are the descriptions of a civilization at these three levels.
Physics of Type I, II, and III Civilizations

Specifically, we can rank civilizations by their energy consumption, using the following principles:

1) The laws of thermodynamics. Even an advanced civilization is bound by the laws of thermodynamics, especially the Second Law, and can hence be ranked by the energy at their disposal.

2) The laws of stable matter. Baryonic matter (e.g. based on protons and neutrons) tends to clump into three large groupings: planets, stars and galaxies. (This is a well-defined by product of stellar and galactic evolution, thermonuclear fusion, etc.) Thus, their energy will also be based on three distinct types, and this places upper limits on their rate of energy consumption.

3) The laws of planetary evolution. Any advanced civilization must grow in energy consumption faster than the frequency of life-threatening catastrophes (e.g. meteor impacts, ice ages, supernovas, etc.). If they grow any slower, they are doomed to extinction. This places mathematical lower limits on the rate of growth of these civilizations.

Kaku defines a Type 1 civilization as one that is truly a planetary society, who has mastered all forms of terrestrial energy. Their energy output is much greater than ours. It would take at least 3,200 years to reach Type 2.

A Type 2 civilization is a civilization who have an energy output of a small star. They would be so advanced that they could build a sphere around their planet to maximize their energy output.

A Type 3 civilization is so advanced that they have begun colonizing other star systems. Their energy output is massive compared to ours. A civilization this advanced would be able to bend space and time at will. They would probably be capable of interdimensional travel and even time travel.

So where are we here on planet Earth? Well, we are Type 0. We still get our energy from dead plants. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me. I could only imagine what an advanced alien civilizations thinks of us. With our racism, wars, and class struggles we will be luck if we ever get to a Type 1. At the current rate, in my opinion the human race is headed toward extinction.

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Kaku attended Cubberly High School (now closed) in Palo Alto, California where he was known as Mike Kaku and played first board on Cubberly's chess team around 1963. During this time, he had been experimenting heavily in his parents' garage. This attracted the attention of famous physicist Edward Teller, who took Kaku as a protégé. Kaku received a B.S. (summa cum laude) from Harvard University in 1968 where he came first in his physics class. He went on to the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory at the University of California, Berkeley and received a Ph.D. in 1972. In 1973, he held a lectureship at Princeton University.

Dr. Kaku was drafted and entered the U.S. Army as an infantryman. He completed basic training at Fort Benning, Georgia, but the Vietnam War ended before he was to be shipped out.

Currently he holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics at City College of New York, where he has taught for more than 25 years. Presently, he is engaged in working on "Theory of Everything," seeking to unify the four fundamental forces of the universe: the strong force, the weak force, gravity and electromagnetism. Additionally, he has been a visiting professor at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, as well as at New York University.

Dr. Kaku is the author of several scholarly, Ph.D.-level textbooks and has had more than 70 articles published in physics journals covering topics such as superstring theory, supergravity, supersymmetry, and hadronic physics (although he has not published an original research article in seven years). Based on the number of citations his work has received in the academic literature, Kaku has an h-index of 22.
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Posted 07/10/12 - 1:00 PM:

There is another possability, that Carl Sagan suggested, that a society reaches a certain level of technological development and promptly destroys itself in a nuclear inferno. Not very encouraging but based on Earths recent history it seems likely. Possably there are no aliens for this reason.
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Posted 07/10/12 - 2:27 PM:

QUOTE THGINKEKER 13 ihave observed following things about SUNLIGHT { Sure as hell he and others would have observed many things about me as well

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thats correct thinker 13smiling facewe all form opinions of otheres by what they write in their posts ...JESUS sad " out of the heart the mouth speaks ", you have asked me twice to say more about myself so according to your request i will tell you a little and maybe you can understand me more ...smiling face 30 years ago me and my sister in the faith while we were stuying the book of REVEALATION were hon oured by a visit by a spirit from the other side , we both became INDEPENDANLY aware of the presence of the spirit although neither of us at the time were aware of what the other had seen ...SEACOND 10 years ago i was testing out my new digital camera and i decided to take a photo of an incoming jet passenger plane landing at birmingham international airport ..whe i downloades the photo onto my laptop and put the zoom facility on it to my astonishme nt and suprise i saw 3 u-f-o`s to the right of the plane observing its landing ..i posted this photo to the AMINISTRATOR of the website where i am global moderator and he was so impressd he posted it into the PARANORMAL forum on the site ..he was very strict and particular of what he had on his forum , so i was quite pleased with his response none of the members were able to identify the 3 objects hovering there exept yjey were spherical in shape , grey in coulur and hovering still in the air .that year there were reports of lights seen taveling in formation at night along the coast of england this lasted for about a week smiling face
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Posted 07/10/12 - 4:45 PM:

Hallucinations and dirty lenses are not very sound evidence.
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Posted 07/11/12 - 3:12 AM:

thedoc wrote:
There is another possability, that Carl Sagan suggested, that a society reaches a certain level of technological development and promptly destroys itself in a nuclear inferno. Not very encouraging but based on Earths recent history it seems likely. Possably there are no aliens for this reason.



Hi thedoc,

I think that would be too much of an assumption for just one probability that is of annihilation. Out of myriads upon myriads of civilizations some would have survived. But yes, that might be a possibility as well. We're all speculating.
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Posted 07/11/12 - 7:34 AM:

thedoc wrote:
Hallucinations and dirty lenses are not very sound evidence.

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I am very happyto jopin the ranks of all those who hallucinate laughing

PRESIDENT REAGAN

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SUNLIGHT ..HA HA laughing

all have said they have seen u-f-os

and i dont think any of them will lose any sleep because people whoe not seen them dont believe them smiling face
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Posted 07/11/12 - 8:28 AM:

If that is the only criterion, I have seen UFO's as well, as in 'Unidentified Flying Objects', but I have never seen anything that could be shown to have aliens flying them. They were simply some object that I could not identify, such as birds, strange manmade aircraft, or some random object that had floated away, and not something to get excited about. But then I'm not given to flights of fantasy or a wild imaginaton.
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Posted 07/12/12 - 7:09 AM:

thedoc wrote:
If that is the only criterion, I have seen UFO's as well, as in 'Unidentified Flying Objects', but I have never seen anything that could be shown to have aliens flying them. They were simply some object that I could not identify, such as birds, strange manmade aircraft, or some random object that had floated away, and not something to get excited about. But then I'm not given to flights of fantasy or a wild imaginaton.


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are you saying doc that trained astronaughts and air;ine pilots with years of flyine experiane are given to flights of fancy,and you are not? laughing
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Posted 07/12/12 - 7:50 AM:

The office of the Prisedency, astronauts, and airline pilots are all high stress jobs and these typs of jobs are often given to long hours that strain a persons abilities to preceive the world correctly. Even without stress few see the world clearly and most see what they want to see regardless of the reality. If one person sees something in the sky and excidedly calls out that he sees a UFO then everyone else will see an alien space ship unless the object can be clearly and positively identified.
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Posted 07/12/12 - 8:58 AM:

I don't think that it should be only those people who're in high-stress jobs . The chances are that those who observe skies more, astrophysicists and like, are more likely to see UFOs.

Apart from that, we all are in search of one story or other. As lib has already suggested, stories serve to instill certain archetypes and memes in humanity { She said something to this effect I suppose.}
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Posted 07/12/12 - 6:20 PM:

Thinker13 wrote:

I don't think that it should be only those people who're in high-stress jobs . The chances are that those who observe skies more, astrophysicists and like, are more likely to see UFOs.



Then it is odd that astronomers are not among those who report observing Alien space ships, and many Astronomers would line up to be the first to make such an observation. Many astronomers are searching for aliens and do not make such claims.
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thedoc wrote:



Then it is odd that astronomers are not among those who report observing Alien space ships, and many Astronomers would line up to be the first to make such an observation. Many astronomers are searching for aliens and do not make such claims.




Exactly. People who study things thoroughly don't tend to jump to the conclusions. smiling face
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Posted 07/15/12 - 4:44 AM:

QUOTE THINKER13 :Exactly. People who study things thoroughly don't tend to jump to the conclusions.
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the following video shows thay alien space on the moon were reported by astronaughts smiling face
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbhLad96JwA

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I could not see the video, but then I take your word for that. Astronauts saw them, then what? There are so many descriptions of aliens in Bhagvata Purana and other Hindu texts and even in Bible!
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QUOTE THINKER 13:I could not see the video, but then I take your word for that. Astronauts saw them, then what? There are so many descriptions of aliens in Bhagvata Purana and other Hindu texts and even in Bible!
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Could you please show me in the BIBLE where it desribes aliens ?rolling eyes
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QUOTE THINKER13That's precisely the point. If they're here and many more people like me and you accept it, what do we do with that information? Should we try to contact them? Another point, before we start talking about contact, why mainstream media has hidden their presence
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A few years ago i was discussing this with the ADMINISTRATOR of my hindhu forum who lives in mumbai and his name is GANESH we were talking about the fact that the indian goverment knew about alien bases in the himalayas and the goverment was in contact with them .
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weeklyworldnews.com/aliens/...o-base-found-in-himalayas/
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Posted 07/16/12 - 8:57 AM:

SUNLIGHT wrote:
QUOTE THINKER 13:I could not see the video, but then I take your word for that. Astronauts saw them, then what? There are so many descriptions of aliens in Bhagvata Purana and other Hindu texts and even in Bible!
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Could you please show me in the BIBLE where it desribes aliens ?rolling eyes


This articlepeace
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Posted 07/16/12 - 8:59 AM:

SUNLIGHT wrote:
QUOTE THINKER13That's precisely the point. If they're here and many more people like me and you accept it, what do we do with that information? Should we try to contact them? Another point, before we start talking about contact, why mainstream media has hidden their presence
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A few years ago i was discussing this with the ADMINISTRATOR of my hindhu forum who lives in mumbai and his name is GANESH we were talking about the fact that the indian goverment knew about alien bases in the himalayas and the goverment was in contact with them .
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weeklyworldnews.com/aliens/...o-base-found-in-himalayas/



It's a fact according to who?

I don't know why nobody over here doesn't know about it!

*shrug*

{Henry Quirk's classical shrug, since 1995}

*Non Serviam*
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Posted 07/16/12 - 5:34 PM:

-sighs- I do not know whether we've been contacted yet, or even if we are anywhere close to it. All I know is that the chances of there being extraterrestrial lifeforms in the Universe are highly likely. At least they are more highly likely than they are highly unlikely.

I mean, do we really think Earth is the only planet out of ... ????? (sorry I don't know how many there are... to the best of my knowledge no one does yet) to have life on it? With my lack of knowledge, I think there is a probability of extraterrestrial organisms existing. Whether they can be considered life as we know it, I do not know.

I do highly doubt they've come to Earth, however. If they had, I think they would have wiped us out as we are a danger to ourselves... and if left to advance we are also a danger to others. I mean look at what we've done to this place. We wrecked it. Maybe it will correct itself in tens of thousands of years... maybe not. Who the heck knows?

Just my two cents on the matter. wink

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Posted 07/16/12 - 10:20 PM:

I'm pretty sure they're here.

It's one of the best explanations for why we haven't yet annihilated ourselves.

I don't really think they're benevolent--they're probably just not done yet with their studies.
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Posted 07/16/12 - 11:29 PM:

Zenman wrote:
I'm pretty sure they're here.

It's one of the best explanations for why we haven't yet annihilated ourselves.

I don't really think they're benevolent--they're probably just not done yet with their studies.



They might have other motives,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_(The_Twilight_Zone)

There is a criticizm of the idea that cryptographers could decifer an alien language, but they were looking at a cookbook which would have a list of ingredients and amounts. In the movie 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' a breakthrough came when someone recognized that a particular set on numbers corosponded to the co-ordanites on a map, and they were able to decifer the location. Likewise recognizing the pattern of ingredients could lead to understanding that it was a cookbook.

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Posted 07/17/12 - 4:26 PM:

QUOTE THINKER13: according to who ?

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if you read the article in the link i gave you you would see who , but here is a clip from it smiling face
.............................................India has found an active UFO base in The Himalayas. We are working with China and the U.N. to discuss how to handle this alien incursion,” said Indian Defense Minister, A.K. Antony. “We do not want our people to be alarmed. We are confident we can contain this threat from an alien culture.

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On what basis do they determine that this is a 'Threat', that assesment is a 'Red Flag' that this statement is a fake by some WOO peddler.
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