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Monk2400
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Posted 03/02/12 - 3:05 PM:
Subject: Hearts, Brains, and Awareness
Hi all,

Had to share this, as it is really interesting.

Hearts Have Their Own Brain and Consciousness

We are not what we 'think' we are. And 'thinking' is the reason we are surprised to learn this.

We, particularly us westerners, are caught up in the ego which is a rope coiled around the functions of the brain, to the extent that we relegate the functions of the rest of the body to a subsidiary role, even distancing ourselves from it, creating the appearance of duality (the mind-body problem).

In reality, there is no duality. There is only awareness. Consciousness is a locus point of awareness that reveals the phenomenal manifold. The phenomenal manifold is the substance that manifests form and function. Functional elements all arise and work in concert, in opposition, in tension, in harmony, and are expressed as phenomena through the locus of consciousness.

The true nature of the 'I' is not exclusively the domain of reason, of cognition--we are NOT brains. The true 'I' is just BEING, a presence to the unfolding of phenomena. And of equal weight are the systems of heart, body--perhaps even more so. All of these process and express information, and do so as we would say 'intuitively', which only means that they do it directly through the interpenetration of energy fields, rather than mediately through externalized symbols and referential concepts.

Open your heart. The heart knows.

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Posted 03/02/12 - 3:22 PM:

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Posted 03/02/12 - 3:25 PM:

Article in the OP wrote:
Recent scientific research suggests that consciousness actually emerges from the brain and body acting together.



Hitherto I was given to the thought that mind-body originate in consciousness and not the other way around. laughing
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Posted 03/02/12 - 5:39 PM:

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Hitherto I was given to the thought that mind-body originate in consciousness and not the other way around. laughing


I guess it depends on whether you take the external world as ontologically primary or consciousness itself as such. Modern science, predictably, takes the former view, although this is not, I say, supported by the phenomenogical reduction, lol.

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Posted 03/03/12 - 8:22 AM:

I think for most people, who don't give it a lot of thought, conscious awareness lies right behind the eyes. It feels like you are looking at the world from that perspective and so that is where 'you' are. It's interesting to note that the ancient Egyptians would carefully preserve all the internal organs during mummification, but the brain was unceremoniously scooped out and discarded as if it had no value.
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Posted 03/03/12 - 1:12 PM:

Some other things that point to us being more than our brains:

The digestive system is considered by modern science to be body's second brain. "It’s called the second brain for two reasons. One is that if you cut the vagal nerve that goes from the brain to the digestive system, everything would run just fine in the digestive system. [...] The other reason is that all of the neurotransmitters that we make in the brain, we make in much larger quantities in our digestive system."
-- www.healthlady.com/body-det...ond-brain-for-two-reasons/

Some believe that memories are stored in the body as well as in the brain, thus giving rise to the term "body memory". As yet there are no scientific studies focusing on this theory, that I know of, but I do believe it's entirely possible, especially considering what we know now about the complexity of the heart and the digestive system functioning like brains in their own right.

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Posted 03/03/12 - 1:14 PM:

thedoc wrote:
I think for most people, who don't give it a lot of thought, conscious awareness lies right behind the eyes. It feels like you are looking at the world from that perspective and so that is where 'you' are.

true, that is a good point. you can move your locus of consciousness during meditation. i believe the locus also shifts while we're asleep and dreaming. not talking about astral projection, i mean that it shifts involuntarily to other points within our own body. in other words, that during a dream we can experience the perspective of an organ, or a cell, etc.

thedoc wrote:
It's interesting to note that the ancient Egyptians would carefully preserve all the internal organs during mummification, but the brain was unceremoniously scooped out and discarded as if it had no value.

that is interesting yes, another good point.
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Posted 03/03/12 - 4:15 PM:

The idea that the core of the person lies in the brain, 'behind the eyes', is a relatively modern innovation. In the past people always associated the heart with the core of the person. This probably reflects a greater connection to intuition in the past and greater reliance on intellectualization for us in the present.

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Posted 03/03/12 - 5:14 PM:

There is a center in the belly, inside navel which is called Dantian in Taoism http://www.thecouchforum.com/comments.php?id=1792.


This center is also called solar plexus( Manipur Chakra).


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Posted 03/03/12 - 5:30 PM:

libertygrl wrote:
Some other things that point to us being more than our brains:

Some believe that memories are stored in the body as well as in the brain, thus giving rise to the term "body memory".



There is another term 'genetic memory' that everything that happens to us during our life is stored in our genes. The book 'Before Adam' by Jack london uses this concept as the source of dreams for the central character in the book. I don't know if there is any sceintific backing for this idea but it made a nice device for a fictional story.
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