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Posted 02/14/12 - 11:50 AM:

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Hi Doc. I have already gone for a looksee. As my Time is taxed at the moment a visitation would disrupt the time and space continum if you follow my meaning.

Phew thank goodness I got here to correct it before any of yoos lot noticed. wink



Actually I don't really follow your meaning.

I really didn't notice your error, and probably wouldn't have paid much attention anyway. I've only scanned a few of your posts, don't really have much time to spend on them.
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Thinker wrote:
Nobody is referring to Starjade as a God here, right? Starjade claims to be a prophet.

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He is a dyslexic thinker as I call those sorts.

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So far dumbo

Please refrain from name-calling, dear Starjade.


thedoc wrote:
Just to be clear I was refering to having another loonie claiming to be a prophet or the messiah.

Again, can we please keep the name-calling in check? It's the one thing I do insist on around here. Thank you fellas.

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I'm still waiting for Lib to come forward and verify "that (you) have indeed Prophesied other world wide earthquakes and land movements".

Well, Lib?

Well, Henry, I'm still waiting for you to come forward and explain in the abortion topic how rapes and incests are not really rapes and incests, such that they are pretty much non-existent. You asked, why should it matter to me what you believe? You seem to think it shouldn't. So why should it matter to you whether I vouch for Starjade or not?

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I am most willing to know his story.

It's good of you, Thinker.

Edited by libertygrl on 02/14/12 - 1:20 PM. Reason: typo
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Posted 02/14/12 - 1:10 PM:

Hi Lib,

Welcome back. smiling face


Is 'Bhangra' in your signature a reference to Punjabi dance?


How did you get inspired to make it your signature?

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Posted 02/14/12 - 1:15 PM:

Thank you, the last couple of weeks have been a little hectic. Will tell you about bhangra in the signatures topic. smiling face
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Thank you, the last couple of weeks have been a little hectic. Will tell you about bhangra in the signatures topic. smiling face



It's alright. smiling face
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While Sabbatai Zevi was in prison, a visitor denounced him to the Turkish authorities who were Muslims and they brought him to trial. They offered him the choice of execution or conversion to Islam. Sabbatai Zevi of course under the threat of death, accepted conversion to Islam and became a Muslim. Sabbatai Zevi clearly was a fraud and he had just denounced the Jewish religion and had converted to Islam.


I have read that you cannot adopt any other religion if you're born into Islam. What about Judaism? Is it allowed?


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The Kabbalists had kept this a secret from me. Imagine how annoying it is to plan a world wide Exodus and I was going to use the Kabbalists to oversee that Exodus only to discover this act of blasphemy. I laugh that Sabbatai Zevi caused them to be put in their place. However, for me the real Deuteronomy Prophet. That was inconvenient. Even though I can satisfy Deuteronomy law I felt that this dark history of the Kabbalists would be a stumbling block to my apocalyptic plans.



You're not only being honest, but also making me think through an important point, which reinforces another question:


It's established now that prior to your interaction with Kabbalists also you were aware of your situation as a prophet.You have however, mostly used Deuteronomy Law to convince others about your Prophethood in debates on various forums. With above given description of the act of blasphemy by Kabbalists ( Which used the very law you also use): Do you still consider that this law is very vital and could be used for your assertions?



Thank you so much for sharing those links of Sura 4:82 debates, Starjade. I would check them. I am also on those maps you shared. Just give me some time. smiling face
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libertygrl wrote:

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Again, can we please keep the name-calling in check? It's the one thing I do insist on around here. Thank you fellas.


Sorry, I must be having some dificulty distinguishing between 'name-calling' and 'honorifics' I'll try to be more careful.
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[quote] Thinker 13 said; Starjade: If you decide to resume on that site, do let me know. Would follow your discussion over there. [quote]

Starjade says; As a Gemini I am a multi functional character who can operate on my web sites at the same Time. I will venture to that web site when my Time is less taxed and see what it is about. I shall still rest up here on the couch as well as make visitations to other places. I will let you know. They can still come and link up here though. Or are they afraid to face a man of true knowledge. Perhaps my reputation precedes me.

When I was writing on Islamic web sites I wrote on quite a few. You see whiles one ponders upon a reply another Muslim someplace else in the world also ponder a reply. The thing is being able to respond replies to all those conversational minds.

I recall one reply I wrote to a Muslims I call saladinj because his cyberspace name is hard to write and remember took me 3 days to reply. It must have been over 100 ft of hard copy. But a good read anyways.

I like to speak with mutlitudes of minds than wait for just one to think. So writing on many forums is the solution. The question is are they prepared to face the much loved Deuteronomy Prophet Starjade. I am rather blunt and known to lay out traps and all who stand against me bite the Dust. Can they deal with that. Or are they religiously ignorant.



As per Vedic Astrology, your Moon sign is Aquarius and Ascendant is Cancer. Your Sun-sign is Gemini.

As I reckoned earlier, your writing indeed has a flow ( I would not comapre you with Shakespeare as I have myself read very little of him! laughing ) and it seems that you write very fast, leaving any punctuation and editing aside until you're done with your scribble.
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thedoc wrote:


Sorry, I must be having some dificulty distinguishing between 'name-calling' and 'honorifics' I'll try to be more careful.

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Posted 02/15/12 - 3:13 AM:

You do understand what I mean by biting the Dust don't you? When Moses came down from the Mountain he found the descendants of Abraham had forged a Golden Calf. Moses ground it down and made them eat it. Biting the Dust.



It seems that unlike Mohammad and Jesus, you consider Moses as a genuine historic prophet. Am I right?


If I am right: What makes you think that he was indeed a genuine prophet. What law he used to prove his connection with God?


Was his God same as yours? Living white sphere?



Whether you believe or not that Moses was a prophet: Who else was a genuine prophet in history?


Will there be any prophet in future, after the apocalypse you mention?


What is going to be approximate time span before the apocalypse?

Will I see it in my material body's lifetime?


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Posted 02/15/12 - 4:56 AM:

Hiya Starjade ! What an epic pleasure to find you on the couch. smiling face

How are you doing these days?


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Double post alert. sticking out tongue
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Posted 02/15/12 - 9:33 AM:

"I'm still waiting for you to come forward and explain in the abortion topic how rapes and incests are not really rapes and incests"

That's not at all what I said, as I'll remind you via a post in 'that' thread...however: I view this as a tit-for-tat circumstance.

I'll clarify 'there' and I'd like it if you'd answer my question 'here'.
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smokinpristiformis wrote:
Double post alert. sticking out tongue



Man, you're damn busy these days, it seems. sticking out tongue
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10 hours is a normal workday for me these days - and it's not just being 'present' at work - feels more like doing 6 or 7 jobs at once. It's pretty exhausting. But I can't complain, I like my job a lot. Trying to spend the rest my day on quality time. smiling face
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Posted 02/15/12 - 10:41 AM:

To me a spade is a spade even if it is a shovel.


Ain't that metaphysical!? sticking out tongue
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smokinpristiformis wrote:
10 hours is a normal workday for me these days - and it's not just being 'present' at work - feels more like doing 6 or 7 jobs at once. It's pretty exhausting. But I can't complain, I like my job a lot. Trying to spend the rest my day on quality time. smiling face



I hope it's good for you. thumb up
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Posted 02/15/12 - 10:57 AM:

Thinker:

“If three persons say that he is a prophet--would you believe that without investigating into their testimonies?”

Of course not!

If three persons tell you each just watched a pink and purple elephant fly over the building would you believe ‘that’ without investigating?

If three folks tell me a cardboard box contains a ham sandwich: it costs me nothing to provisionally accept their collected word…ham sandwiches exist, cardboard boxes exist, ham sandwiches demonstrably can be inside cardboard boxes.

The claim of a ham sandwich being inside a box is a mundane claim, easily confirmed or disproved by simply opening the box.

Now: if three folks tell me of a prophet with a fantastic track record of accuracy: I want to see proof of this track record…insofar as the universe seems to work: foretelling the future is not possible (predicting possibilities based on current information ‘is’ possible…that’s what meteorology is all about), so, if someone claims to foretell the future (or claims to know of someone who foretells the future) that person is making an extraordinary claim and should offer extraordinary evidences.

That is: Starjade’s witnesses (as real as ghost farts, I suspect) must evidence why they each believe.

This is all obvious and evident: I fail to see why you, Thinker, need a tutorial on this.

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“I can vouch for a prophet who predicts future (like an Astrologer) with more than 90% accuracy and more than 60% correct predictions.”

Fine, great. Is Starjade such a person?

If so: how did you arrive at that conclusion?

And: how did you arrive at the 90% and 60% standards?

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Starjade:

“I am rather blunt and known to lay out trap”

The only ‘trap’ you lay out is to offer lengthy, repetitive, posts that say little and dull any incentive to actually continuing sparring.

It was for this reason I terminated our last conversation (in the MPG): simply, I got awfully tired of riding a merry-go-round.

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“I could already establish that I am a Prophet.”

If you can, then ‘do’, here in this forum.

As of now, in this forum: you’ve not established anything (just as in the MPG you established nothing).

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“do those four witnesses count for nothing in your view(?)”

Since I only have your word they exist: no those ‘witnesses’ count for nothing.

Frankly: I think you made them up…prove me wrong.

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“Considering the Jew is bound by Deuteronomy law and a Prophet can use that specific law to establish that he is a Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God then in that same conclusion it is established that the Living God clearly then must exist.”

In other words: because a Jew believes it, it must be so.

Demonstrably: bullshit.
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henry quirk wrote:
Thinker:

“If three persons say that he is a prophet--would you believe that without investigating into their testimonies?”

Of course not!

If three persons tell you each just watched a pink and purple elephant fly over the building would you believe ‘that’ without investigating?

If three folks tell me a cardboard box contains a ham sandwich: it costs me nothing to provisionally accept their collected word…ham sandwiches exist, cardboard boxes exist, ham sandwiches demonstrably can be inside cardboard boxes.

The claim of a ham sandwich being inside a box is a mundane claim, easily confirmed or disproved by simply opening the box.

Now: if three folks tell me of a prophet with a fantastic track record of accuracy: I want to see proof of this track record…insofar as the universe seems to work: foretelling the future is not possible (predicting possibilities based on current information ‘is’ possible…that’s what meteorology is all about), so, if someone claims to foretell the future (or claims to know of someone who foretells the future) that person is making an extraordinary claim and should offer extraordinary evidences.

That is: Starjade’s witnesses (as real as ghost farts, I suspect) must evidence why they each believe.

This is all obvious and evident: I fail to see why you, Thinker, need a tutorial on this.




I don't need a tutorial on this. I know this and that is the very reason I asked you. To me it's apparent that you would not believe in any prophets ( neither it's my personal opinion that anyone should or should not). Since you were very keen on knowing the names of witnesses, I thought it appropriate to pose the question.


Henry wrote:

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“I can vouch for a prophet who predicts future (like an Astrologer) with more than 90% accuracy and more than 60% correct predictions.”

Fine, great. Is Starjade such a person?


I don't know.

Henry wrote:

If so: how did you arrive at that conclusion?



I have really not arrived at conclusion.

Henry wrote:
And: how did you arrive at the 90% and 60% standards?




Owing to the inaccuracy of the proto-Science ( which plenty of us believe to be pseudo-Science) of Astrology: The predictions any Astrologer does, not turn out to be true always. They don't always turn out to be false either. In the cases when they're true, they need not be completely true: That's why any Astrologer with an accuracy in the range 60-70% and with the 90% correctness of those predictions which are true, is, a good Astrologer in my opinion.

The 90% and 60% standards are not very Scientific, nor result of a great research on my behalf, neither I claim that they should hold true for anyone on that matter.









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Posted 02/15/12 - 11:19 AM:

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Why Liberty Girl what are you saying. I was not name calling anyone.? To me a spade is a spade even if it is a shovel.

If you find it too difficult to oblige, I'm sure there are plenty of other forums with lower standards. Cheers
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henry quirk wrote:


“do those four witnesses count for nothing in your view(?)”

Since I only have your word they exist: no those ‘witnesses’ count for nothing.

Frankly: I think you made them up…prove me wrong.



This is sounding very similiar to a book that I read once where the author had numerous imaginary conversations with his imaginary friends. In each case it was to illustrate a point, sometimes they would dismiss him out of hand, and others they would fawn over him with praise. This thread is no more convincing than the book.
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Henry, 'things' are grinding along slowly but could either be settled in a week, or moved back several.
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thedoc wrote:



This is sounding very similiar to a book that I read once where the author had numerous imaginary conversations with his imaginary friends. In each case it was to illustrate a point, sometimes they would dismiss him out of hand, and others they would fawn over him with praise. This thread is no more convincing than the book.



thumb up I appreciate this analogy.
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Posted 02/15/12 - 2:43 PM:

Henry, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the abortion debate.

You ask if I vouch for Starjade, and I will tell you exactly how I feel. I believe that the event which he describes in which several people saw him experiencing visions is one that did indeed happen to him. I don't believe that it's a fabrication on his part at all. Is he truly a prophet? I would say that remains to be seen. But I do think his story is an interesting one and worth sharing, and I do believe he believes it in earnest and finds personal validation in it. That is why I helped him build his website, that others can draw their own conclusions. I do also believe that prophecy is possible.
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Henry, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the abortion debate.

You ask if I vouch for Starjade, and I will tell you exactly how I feel. I believe that the event which he describes in which several people saw him experiencing visions is one that did indeed happen to him. I don't believe that it's a fabrication on his part at all. Is he truly a prophet? I would say that remains to be seen. But I do think his story is an interesting one and worth sharing, and I do believe he believes it in earnest and finds personal validation in it. That is why I helped him build his website, that others can draw their own conclusions. I do also believe that prophecy is possible.



hug That is nice of you lib. I also believe that he has some fine points. He has same story since I first read his posts in MPG. My first reaction was to reject his claims. Now I think that he has a good story. Moreover he is not selling anything to me.peace
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