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Posted 02/08/12 - 4:33 PM:

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kooky

Now, what is this doc? My little brain is getting dizzy. disapproval



Then get off the merry-go-round, and hold onto something steady. Is it possible that you take things too seriously?
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Posted 02/08/12 - 4:35 PM:

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Oh, let me, please.

"...do try TO find some errors in my words..."

You'd think a god would have some sort of handle on language, or at the very least could conjure up a basic understanding of language.



You would also think a god would be able to devine your thoughts and intentions useing its super-power. Perhaps this is one of the lessor gods just let out to play for a few hours, probably on a short leash.
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Posted 02/08/12 - 9:56 PM:

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Then get off the merry-go-round, and hold onto something steady. Is it possible that you take things too seriously?



I am used to merry-go-rounds. My question was about that sentence. Now I guess I need not ask you again as I know what you meant. Anyway, thanks.
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You would also think a god would be able to devine your thoughts and intentions useing its super-power. Perhaps this is one of the lessor gods just let out to play for a few hours, probably on a short leash.



Nobody is referring to Starjade as a God here, right? Starjade claims to be a prophet. Then, who is this lesser God?
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Starjade says; There are other things flying around the Abyss other than the Living White Sphere. They vary to colour. As for anything more powerful. Not to my knowledge. Power varies however the Living White Sphere has unusual power that I think is unique to the Sphere.



I ask you a question: I am curious. May be you are sure about the white sphere being God. What if, this white sphere is an alien intelligent being from a planet which has a civilization millions of years more advanced than ours?



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There is a grey cloud moving around in the Abyss that also is alive and it thinks and also has a lot of power. It is a different form of energy and not to the good. I have no doub that grey cloud is the place others mentioned as Hell. So if you were to enter into its depths I do not think that would be a good thing. It is useful to be able to see the colour of the astral energies glow for then you can determine the nature of the life forms you meet.



That is very intriguing and I do want to discuss on this. It seems that you see these spheres during your OBE(Out Of Body) experiences? Or in visions similar to the dreams?

Can I also have those experiences? Did you have an inborn power for those experiences/visions or you developed that?


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Posted 02/09/12 - 8:15 AM:

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Why Henry Quirk, everything is Time stamped.
The much loved Liberty Girl can confirm to you Henry that I have indeed Prophesied other world wide earthquakes and land movements plus a 900km eruption that without doubt are apocalyptic in their nature. In fact she was thoughtful enough to create a website where such apocalyptic maps were displayed. They do have dates on them.


I did read somewhere that it was one of your friends who created End of Times website, but it comes as a surprise that it was libertygrl!

Another apocalyptic map with a description was sent to the International Order of Kabbalists of Circle Gardens London who published some of my hand written letters plus another map in their 1995 December issue of the Kabbalist Magazine that went world wide to millions of descendants of Abraham.


Do you have any archives of those hand-written letters and maps by any chance? Could you please share them with us?

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I did not have some vision of the events but was actually viewing those events of the future whiles one year past to them. So those extraordinary events are now a matter of record and at a future Time my words would be found true. In the paranormal world that is called making history. I was after all doing something that had never been done before and I wanted that evidence recorded by the Kabbalist for future thinkers.

They sent me a reply along with a book they had just published which had prophecies from others regarding the End of Times. I was looking up the Biblical Prophecies in the Old Testament when I came upon that law of Deuteronomy and realised that here was a law that determines the truth regarding any crimes of iniquity or sin. The famed Two or Three witness law. I knew more than four witnesses who could by their testimony establish that I am a Prophet and with a provable connection to the living God.


This is how you came to know about Deuteronomy Law. Very interesting.
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Posted 02/09/12 - 9:37 AM:

"The much loved Liberty Girl can confirm to you Henry that I have indeed Prophesied other world wide earthquakes and land movements..."

So, Lib: you gonna vouch for Starjade?

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And still, Starjade, no evidences offered to illustrate Deuteronomy is anything other than hooey.

If Deuteronomy is hooey, then your claim as to who you are is hooey too.

As for your witnesses: it would be awfully nice if you could just give me a phone number or two, an e-address, a mailing address...hunting these folks down myself (based solely on non-unique names) is a time-consuming activity.
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Posted 02/09/12 - 10:55 AM:

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I am used to merry-go-rounds. My question was about that sentence. Now I guess I need not ask you again as I know what you meant. Anyway, thanks.



Just to be clear I was refering to having another loonie claiming to be a prophet or the messiah. I really should have used the phrase "Oh No, not again" in keeping with the general tone of the thread.
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Posted 02/10/12 - 9:50 AM:

Starjade says; I suppose its one of those you have to be there things. There is no doubt in my mind that the Living White Sphere is the Living God. I can also say specifically the Living God spoken of in the Old Testament. The Prophecies that came from that specific Living God have all come true giving credibility to the claims of the descendants of Abraham.



I do not question your conviction that the power you witnessed was much like as told in scriptures. My question is simply this: is there not a chance that the God which is worshiped by many religions is an alien intelligent being whose powers are beyond our comprehension.

But that does not make such a power an ultimate one, because there might be myriads upon myriads of powers in so many galaxies and universes!
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Posted 02/10/12 - 9:53 AM:

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I do not see any reason why you could not have those experiences also or at least similar. It is not likely for you to also have seen that apocalypse from space as I was alone. However, when you die you will be travelling in those astral regions and so begins your own mystical journey. Having this knowledge and insight makes you more wary. Stay away from the grey ones in the Abyss however; I do not think they are friendly.


My entire material family all have unusual paranormal abilities. In the world of the occult here on earth I would be considered to be a sensitive. Of course now I am far beyond that. I have always travelled a mystical and spiritual path and so my powers are and were more finely tuned. There are others who travel a mystical path all gathering such paranormal power. It is not something simply learned and can take many continuing lifetimes.



Your descriptions are very intriguing and fascinating. May I question: How did you die? How did you retain your consciousness and how did you find your way back to your body?

What was the reaction of those surrounding you upon your death?

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Posted 02/10/12 - 12:46 PM:

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Starjade says; I do not see that as being a surprise. Liberty Girl is a Gemini. Gemini’s are the most brightest minds in the universe. Geocities closed all their the web sites down but they did keep some of it in their records and so it can be found and viewed.









My surprise had no relation with capability of Geminis. smiling face

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Posted 02/10/12 - 1:05 PM:

"As the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards does exist and is displayed in any Old Testament then simply go pick up a book and read it or go ask a Hebrew. To say it is hooey is silly when the law is very clear. It doesn’t matter about the law what matters is the law binds all descendants of Abraham who must follow its conclusions."

I'm not questioning the existence of Deuteronomy as text...I'm questioning the validity of Deuteronomy as an evidence of your extraordinary and -- as of now -- unsubstantiated claim.

The 'law' is only binding on those who 'believe' it...there's nothing intrinsic to that 'law' compelling any Jew to do jack.

The only way the 'law' can be binding beyond what any Jew chooses is if that 'law' somehow reflects an aspect of reality (that is, that 'god' exists)...as of now: you haven't shown how this 'law' is anything other than text on a page, no more 'real' than a Grimm tale about witches trying to cook up children for dinner.

Sure, Hansel and Gretel -- as text -- exists, but the tale is demonstrably fiction. Sure Deuteronomy exists -- as text -- but that text is demonstrably fiction (political/social edicts dressed up with 'god'). That is: Deuteronomy is a work of 'do this and do that 'cause god says so' but at no point in the context of the text is (1) 'god' shown to exist and (2) that the one who speaks for 'god' is actually empowered to do so.

Try again, Starjade.

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It may take time, but I'll find these witnesses and I'll listen for myself to what each has to say.

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I'm still waiting for Lib to come forward and verify "that (you) have indeed Prophesied other world wide earthquakes and land movements".

Well, Lib?
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Posted 02/10/12 - 1:12 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
"As the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards does exist and is displayed in any Old Testament then simply go pick up a book and read it or go ask a Hebrew. To say it is hooey is silly when the law is very clear. It doesn’t matter about the law what matters is the law binds all descendants of Abraham who must follow its conclusions."

I'm not questioning the existence of Deuteronomy as text...I'm questioning the validity of Deuteronomy as an evidence of your extraordinary and -- as of now -- unsubstantiated claim.

The 'law' is only binding on those who 'believe' it...there's nothing intrinsic to that 'law' compelling any Jew to do jack.

The only way the 'law' can be binding beyond what any Jew chooses is if that 'law' somehow reflects an aspect of reality (that is, that 'god' exists)...as of now: you haven't shown how this 'law' is anything other than text on a page, no more 'real' than a Grimm tale about witches trying to cook up children for dinner.

Sure, Hansel and Gretel -- as text -- exists, but the tale is demonstrably fiction. Sure Deuteronomy exists -- as text -- but that text is demonstrably fiction (political/social edicts dressed up with 'god'). That is: Deuteronomy is a work of 'do this and do that 'cause god says so' but at no point in the context of the text is (1) 'god' shown to exist and (2) that the one who speaks for 'god' is actually empowered to do so.

Try again, Starjade.

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It may take time, but I'll find these witnesses and I'll listen for myself to what each has to say.

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I'm still waiting for Lib to come forward and verify "that (you) have indeed Prophesied other world wide earthquakes and land movements".

Well, Lib?



Henry, a question to you: Take an imaginary scenario : Do you think that a Moses, a Mohammad, a Jesus or any other claimant of prophet-hood would have used any hard Science to convince you of their Truth? Suppose all you had done was: Interacting with them on an online forum, like this one?

I suppose that you would reject all historical prophets. It's just my assumption. Do say if you feel otherwise. smiling face

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Posted 02/10/12 - 1:26 PM:

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Starjade says; I was feeling tired and stopped on a park bench to rest. My heart stopped. I heard it beating and listened to it slowing. I could have moved but chose instead to go with the flow. There are no witnesses to that death. I was fully conscious all the way until I reach the core of the Living White Sphere. My next conscious awareness I was flying out of the Living Whites Sphere radiating white light and found myself in the Dark of the Abyss. I flew across the Abyss back to this Planet fully conscious even through the resurrecting of my dead body and walking away.




Is it safe to assume here that: Prior to your NDE( Near Death Experience) you had no inkling about your special role here?

Do you remember having any other experiences after this one? Do you still have OBEs or it was only event in your life time, which is the basis for entirety of your visions?




When I get you the Link to the End of Times web site. Read of Starjades Journey beyond the grave. It is displayed there. It is too long to narrate here but it answer those every questions. Which also was that foresighted reason why I wrote the Journey beyond the grave so other could understand that death process. And they also were just bound to ask. .


I will definitely read the entire account. nod




My material family all have heart problems. I have a tear on my heart wall. It certainly took the wind out of me. Doctors advise I be cautious not to get too physical as I can suffer a massive heart attack and die in four minutes. I kinda like that however, I could find it most inconvenient. This was why I made sure the Kabbalists had all those Exodus details just in case. I do not need to be here as the data is already been passed on in case my body dies.



Do you think that there is a special reason that a prophet should choose to take birth in a certain type of family? For example, you mention that your material family members had heart ailments. Is there any particular reason or it's just a random thing that you happened to be born in a family like yours?
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Posted 02/10/12 - 2:26 PM:

Thinker, extraordinary claims require equally extraordinary evidence.

Starjade has made extraordinary claims (for years) and has offered not a stitch of *evidence (ordinary or extraordinary) in support of those claims.

I suspect 'now' will prove to be no different, though -- again -- I'm waiting to see if Lib will vouch for him.

Beyond this thread: I got no interest in nutjobs and flim-flam men (or women) who look to pull wool over folks' eyes.

You point to "Moses, Mohammad, Jesus"...I say 'fiction, nutjob, fiction'.

*shrug*









*oh, he mentions witnesses and documentation, but never offers easy access to either...he understands most folks don't have the time (or interest) to do the legwork...seems to me, if his claims held any water, he'd be clamoring to post as much documentation as possible...he'd be rattling off phone numbers and addresses of the witnesses...but: he can't even be bothered to keep track of the very folks he says can verify his claims...what good are his three witnesses (as demanded by the 'law') if he can't (or, won't) contact them? In a modern court, when witnesses don't appear, charges get dropped and cases get dismissed.

You do the math, Thinker...tell me what number you come up with.
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Posted 02/10/12 - 2:36 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
Thinker, extraordinary claims require equally extraordinary evidence.


You point to "Moses, Mohammad, Jesus"...I say 'fiction, nutjob, fiction'.

*shrug*




Which leads me to the logical conclusion that you think that there are no prophets. There have been none. There will be none. Then, you are not likely to be satisfied with any evidence he comes up with. smiling face


As far as my opinion is concerned: I am most willing to know his story.

Witnesses can be produced by an person who has some influence. Not necessarily for prophet-hood. In democracies like USA and India, politicians' testimonies are bought on a regular basis and they are often more than three in number. This much for the number game, Henry!
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Posted 02/10/12 - 2:51 PM:

"...you are not likely to be satisfied with any evidence he comes up with..."

Forgive me, Thinker, but that's horseshit.

I see no prophets because said prophets didn't/don't exist (find me a historical record with Jesus in it...find me any evidence to his works beyond what's recorded in the Bible, that great construct of Trent), or said prophets couldn't/can't verify anything any claimed.

Certainly, Mohammad existed...it's all the unverifiable angelic visitations I have a problem with.

If Starjade (or any person) wants my belief, all he has to do is back up his word with substance.

Find me a single prophet who's done that.

As for witnesses: Starjade explcitly says witness can verify some of his extrordinary clams...again: 'what good are his three witnesses (as demanded by the 'law') if he can't (or, won't) contact them?'
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Posted 02/10/12 - 3:16 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
"...you are not likely to be satisfied with any evidence he comes up with..."

Forgive me, Thinker, but that's horseshit.


laughing

I still feel that you would never believe that he is a prophet, no matter what he comes up with. Now discussion is because you need to see substantiation of claims for prophecies and not for prophet-hood.



I see no prophets because said prophets didn't/don't exist (find me a historical record with Jesus in it...find me any evidence to his works beyond what's recorded in the Bible, that great construct of Trent), or said prophets couldn't/can't verify anything any claimed.

Certainly, Mohammad existed...it's all the unverifiable angelic visitations I have a problem with.


To a T.




If Starjade (or any person) wants my belief, all he has to do is back up his word with substance.

Find me a single prophet who's done that.

As for witnesses: Starjade explcitly says witness can verify some of his extrordinary clams...again: 'what good are his three witnesses (as demanded by the 'law') if he can't (or, won't) contact them?'



But the question is: If three persons say that he is a prophet--would you believe that without investigating into their testimonies?
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Posted 02/10/12 - 3:32 PM:

http://www.vocabulary.com/definition/prophet wrote:
By the time you finish reading this definition, you will understand what a prophet is. How do I know? Perhaps I am a prophet, someone who can predict the future. Or maybe it’s just a guess.
The future is a foggy mystery, but a prophet sees beyond that fog to speak about what’s to come. A fortune teller is a prophet, and so is a savvy computer designer who knows how technology will change in ten years. Prophet comes from the Greek word for “spokesman,” which explains another definition of prophet: someone who speaks on behalf of God. Prophet is pronounced the same as profit, and some prophets use their talents to earn lots of profit.



By this standard, even I am a prophet. Anyone can be a prophet by these standards. But here we are discussing about Deuteronomy prophet who speaks on behalf of a God.

I can vouch for a prophet who predicts future ( like an Astrologer) with more than 90% accuracy and more than 60% correct predictions.

It's also true that someone who does the divination need not be capable of doing so each and every time.

What do you think about this general definition of prophet, if you think that we are not digressing from the topic much.

[ Though the thread was intended to assess sanity!]



Edited by Thinker13 on 02/10/12 - 3:37 PM
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Posted 02/11/12 - 6:58 PM:

Hey Starjade, I really think you chould come over and help Peacegirl out, she could use someone like you to explain her ideas.

www.freethought-forum.com/f...orum/forumdisplay.php?f=46

And there are plenty of others on other threads who would benefit from what you have to say.
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However, the problem with using the Kabbalists to get the message across to the congregations was another pretender to my Throne called Sabbatai Zevi. And trust me the descendants of Israel do not like my apocalyptic Exodus plans. It involved selling off their lands of Israel for larger land in Africa which are territories controlled by Muslims. Its a very long story.



I am all ears for this story.


Starjade, do you have transcripts of your debates on Sura 4:82 saved anywhere?

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Posted 02/13/12 - 2:57 AM:

Starjade says; I do not have visions. I go into and see the future as it happens. I have had many OOBE’s Having always travelled a mystical path I have always suspected.



How do you do that? Is it like taking a very deep breath and holding it in concentrating on a particular object?

Do you use psychedelics for the same?


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Posted 02/13/12 - 7:55 AM:

Starjade wrote:


Starjade says; So why not bring them here.



It's easier to move one that to move many, but if you're not up to it OK, it may be too much of a challenge.
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Posted 02/13/12 - 2:25 PM:

thedoc wrote:



It's easier to move one that to move many, but if you're not up to it OK, it may be too much of a challenge.



Starjade:If you decide to resume on that site, do let me know. Would follow your discussion over there.smiling face
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Posted 02/14/12 - 9:35 AM:

Starjade wrote:

Thousands of Muslims challenged me to challenge Islam on the Islamiway forum.
So the moderators began a cheat shirk. They would not allow my devastating posts to appear in response to other posters.



This is not a muslim site, and it is not moderated except for illegal activities and a few forum rules. But its OK those people know a lot about many things, you might learn something.
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