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Posted 08/25/12 - 8:43 AM:

SUNLIGHT wrote:
The georgia guidstones attempted to give the answer to decreasing the earths population , one of the suggestions was to reduce the earths population to a fraction of what it is now BUT they do not seem sure on how this is to be achieved rolling eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ahrg6lh4iU




They are probably looking for "Others" to volunteer.
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Posted 08/25/12 - 8:46 AM:

I have been arguing for population reduction for years now but by reducing the birth rate. These people having large families just fly in the face of reason and good sense, especially when they then start asking for money to help support the large family.
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Posted 08/25/12 - 1:48 PM:

thedoc wrote:
I have been arguing for population reduction for years now but by reducing the birth rate. These people having large families just fly in the face of reason and good sense, especially when they then start asking for money to help support the large family.

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i agree with the doc here, in africa and india mothers are given more babies by their hubands when they cant feed the ones they already have which are destined to starve or die from drinking infected water , why ?shaking head .



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Posted 08/25/12 - 5:44 PM:

SUNLIGHT wrote:

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i agree with the doc here, in africa and india mothers are given more babies by their hubands when thet cant feed the ones they already have which are destined to starve or die fron drining infected water , why ?shaking head .




Education is the biggest problem, and they think that the more they have, the better chance that some will survive. If they would have just one or two, those would have a better chance.
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Posted 08/30/12 - 10:26 PM:

I think it would help if we cease referring to an embryo or a fetus as a baby or child. It isn't, no matter how far along a pregnancy is.

One of my daughters recently lost a fetus at 14 weeks and I watched and listened as she and others consistently used the words "baby" and "child" and not once said "fetus". I had to finally speak up and note the distinction. The language usage was causing my daughter to beat herself up.

I understand there's a grieving process due to the loss of the bond a mother-to-be experiences and that's painful enough, however, this misuse of language is not helpful at all.

People and groups who employ guilt and shame as a means of controlling others like this "baby" and "child" misrepresentation of language. Not only is this transparent as to motive, it's also disgusting, IMV.
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Posted 08/30/12 - 10:34 PM:

thedoc wrote:



Education is the biggest problem, and they think that the more they have, the better chance that some will survive. If they would have just one or two, those would have a better chance.
It seems to me that would be the actions of an educated (not indoctrinated) population, actually.

What's more accurate is the fact that everything an organism does is geared toward reproduction. Also, there are lots of cultural reasons that add to reproduction motives.
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Posted 08/31/12 - 11:02 AM:

thedoc wrote:
Education is the biggest problem, and they think that the more they have, the better chance that some will survive. If they would have just one or two, those would have a better chance.


I agree that sheer mass reproduction is not the only or most effective solution for surviving, although the idea does seem to be deeply ingrained in a lot of people, something that, as cripe says, we need education in order to counter that biological impulse. Something to think on too: what if part of the species has very self-destructive habits such that those habits are what threaten the survival of the species (for example, hatred and intolerance, or wanton destruction of the planet). I include hatred and intolerance as a self-destructive habit because prejudices against people of certain race, sexual orientation, mental "disorders" etc and so on, could result in failure to develop meaningful solutions to problems at hand because of exclusion of intelligent workers or scientists from the workforce or from the rungs of higher education.
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Posted 09/09/12 - 11:26 AM:

My mother was a victim of marital rape many times over. She's had multiple abortions in her life. We already had four children in my family and she didn't want to have more children than she could afford. As it was, I was diagnosed with a mood disorder when I was young and my brother was only three when he was diagnosed with autism. Knowing she had a difficult time ahead of her already and not wanting more children to suffer my fathers family's and society's wrath, she chose to abort.

To this day, I support her decision and support the right of individuals to have control over their own bodies. Just as children have their parents make decisions for them, fetuses have the woman who carries them makes the decision. To me, no man has any say in this matter.

Just my two cents.

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Posted 09/09/12 - 11:49 AM:

A 'Man' is one who is caring and mindful of the feelings and concerns of others especially a wife and children. A male who is abusive and a rapist, even within marrage, is not a 'man' and perhaps not fully human, and as an animal, should be delt with as such. All children should be born to parents who want them and I would favor measures to promote this concept.
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Posted 09/09/12 - 11:53 AM:

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A male who is abusive and a rapist, even within marrage, is not a 'man' and perhaps not fully human, and as an animal, should be delt with as such.


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I should have used the term 'male', but if only for the sake of reading your comment I am very happy to have used the term 'man'. nod

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Posted 09/09/12 - 11:57 AM:

I read my comment and was afraid it might seem insensitive toward your father, I don't know what that relationship is. But I would add that abuse can take many forms other than physical.
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Posted 09/09/12 - 12:10 PM:

My father and I have an okay relationship right now... but he is or at least was an animal. I will likely never forgive him for all he's done, but at least we can get along these days. He's alright to his kids and his new wife (to the best of my knowledge), but my mother was and is my hero and that he did what he did to her I find unforgivable.
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Posted 09/11/12 - 12:19 PM:

thedoc wrote:
A 'Man' is one who is caring and mindful of the feelings and concerns of others especially a wife and children. A male who is abusive and a rapist, even within marrage, is not a 'man' and perhaps not fully human, and as an animal, should be delt with as such. All children should be born to parents who want them and I would favor measures to promote this concept.

i second that thumb up

KN, my mom was a victim of marital rape too. it's a terrible thing and sadly not uncommon for some to think that marriage entitles them to taking sex by force.
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Posted 09/12/12 - 8:43 AM:

"it's a terrible thing and sadly not uncommon for some to think that marriage entitles them to taking sex by force."

The legacy of 'man owns wife'.
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