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Posted 01/23/12 - 12:21 PM:
Subject: Reincarnation And Questions...
The theory of reincarnation is used to explain certain things. Reincarnation helps in understanding enlightenment-the full blossoming of consciousness in Buddhism and in Hinduism too it’s used to explain the Karmic process which culminates in Moksha, which is equivalent of Nirvana in Buddhism. The difference between Nirvana and Enlightenment (Buddhatva) in Buddhist context is just that until enlightenment happens there is no chance of Nirvana and after the death of a person who has attained final liberation there are no cycles of birth and death because there were no Karmic remnants.

In his book ‘Born Again,’ Walter Semkiv proposed that he came to know after his extensive research that Christians used to believe in the theory of reincarnation but after a few centuries of systematic removal of these doctrines they started to disbelieve them. I do not know about the veracity of his claims, neither do I find his book to be very convincing on the matter of reincarnation. Metempsychosis is the name given to this idea in Greek philosophy and it’s found in Jainism and Kabbalah as well. Reincarnation has also been called ‘Rebirth’.

The sceptical inside you asks an important question: How did this seemingly never ending process of birth and death begin? If this perpetual-birth-after-death-after-birth melodrama is because of Karmic debts, then what in the first place, in the name of holy Ass Hub started this process? Why there was Karma in the very beginning? Is that Karma a fraction of ‘Original Sin’; a pinch of salt given by his highestness? Buddhists will not digest it but they also don’t have any answer for this question as far as I know; therefore you’re independent to speculate as long as you want to. Buddha had patented that he was entitled to answer only a certain number of questions and mind you even if you are in possession of the highest truth, you will answer only as many number of questions as you consider would suffice for dissolution of pain and suffering and so did Buddha and that is what knowing the highest truth is all about.

Many sceptics have also posed a question which points towards ever increasing human population. They ask that if humans are increasing in the number on this planet, wherefrom these many souls are coming into existence. In the name of holy Sandal Hunk, a few more people have come forward suggesting that they have observed certain decrease in the number of inhabitants of earth in non-human species. What these wise people fail to remark on is the most perspicuous fact that we have myriads upon myriads of planets like earth where spirits can incarnate; therefore drawing a line and trying to find answer a dull question like this is not a very wise thing to do in my opinion.


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Posted 01/24/12 - 1:15 PM:

there are a number of schools of thought which suggest that the cycle has no beginning or end. rather, that every end is followed by another beginning, endlessly. this would be consistent with the big bang / big crunch theory. also consistent with the hindu notion of god playing hide and seek with itself - each time the game ends, a new one begins (out of boredom).
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Posted 01/24/12 - 1:31 PM:

libertygrl wrote:
there are a number of schools of thought which suggest that the cycle has no beginning or end. rather, that every end is followed by another beginning, endlessly. this would be consistent with the big bang / big crunch theory. also consistent with the hindu notion of god playing hide and seek with itself - each time the game ends, a new one begins (out of boredom).



That calls for annihilation of reason and mind in the big picture, whereas Buddhist thought along with the theories of Reincarnation and Karma seem very reasonable.

Similarly concept of Karma also has some puzzles with it.
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Posted 01/24/12 - 2:28 PM:

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That calls for annihilation of reason and mind in the big picture

it depends how you define reason and mind. according to the hindu myth of hide-and-seek, the "ultimate" mind behind it all, god, still remains in tact before the hiding and seeking. in actuality, it may be that "god" in such context merely contains all the potential for complexity which is found after the hiding takes place, or in other words just before the big bang occurs.

the big crunch theory holds that entropy causes the complexity in the universe to eventually dissipate and form into a huge, dense mass which contains all elements and the potential for the universe to be born. gravity causes the mass to become more and more densely packed over time until the heat which forms within because of the density causes the mass to explode, spiraling outward creating planets, suns, galaxies and so on.

i would suggest that such a mass, if it does indeed happen this way, contains internal structure and quite probably consciousness. clearly it still follows the laws of gravity and other causal factors. in fact, i think it must contain consciousness because i don't think consciousness is born from nothing. like energy, it is neither created nor destroyed, only transformed.

thus... i don't know if i would say that reason and mind are annihilated in the big picture.

i've been thinking of starting a topic exploring the definition of mind. it would also relate to your question of whether i believe plants have thoughts. alan watts believed that all things are conscious with varying degrees of complexity. something i am still giving thought to and may start a topic on it soon if some more thoughts solidify on the subject.
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Posted 01/24/12 - 11:22 PM:

libertygrl wrote:

it depends how you define reason and mind. according to the hindu myth of hide-and-seek, the "ultimate" mind behind it all, god, still remains in tact before the hiding and seeking. in actuality, it may be that "god" in such context merely contains all the potential for complexity which is found after the hiding takes place, or in other words just before the big bang occurs.



To call power behind Lila 'Ultimate Mind', is anthropomorphization in my opinion. There have been concepts like 'Universal Mind' and I do not contend with them, but the power behind Lila is supposed to be transcendental and hence I doubt if ascribing 'Mind' to its functioning would be a good thing to do. Thoughts arising and subsiding constitue Mind. These thoughts indeed come from some source and some of us call it Noosphere. But the power behind Lila is way beyond Universal Mind; it has much more than that.


i would suggest that such a mass, if it does indeed happen this way, contains internal structure and quite probably consciousness. clearly it still follows the laws of gravity and other causal factors. in fact, i think it must contain consciousness because i don't think consciousness is born from nothing. like energy, it is neither created nor destroyed, only transformed.


Consciousness would be beyond creation in my opinion, therefore it is what hosts the process you describe here.



i've been thinking of starting a topic exploring the definition of mind. it would also relate to your question of whether i believe plants have thoughts. alan watts believed that all things are conscious with varying degrees of complexity. something i am still giving thought to and may start a topic on it soon if some more thoughts solidify on the subject.



I think what I stated about plants was similar to what Alan Watts suggested. I do not think however that consciousness should always have thoughts.
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Posted 01/25/12 - 11:00 AM:

Thinker wrote:
But the power behind Lila is way beyond Universal Mind; it has much more than that.

i could certainly believe that. but i would suggest that that power also has the potential for mind, or in other words it has the capacity to create mind, among other things.

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I do not think however that consciousness should always have thoughts.

interesting, i will have to ponder this some more.
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