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Thinker13
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Posted 01/18/12 - 11:40 AM:
Subject: Wikipedia English Blackout !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip...SOPA_initiative/Learn_more


Give information about SOPA and PIPA. Whereas I am not very familiar with the nuances of the bill, I have gleaned some information from various debates, which makes me of opinion that these bills are being passed to censor web content, in order to control piracy; but various netizens ( in USA and around the world) who are skeptical of intentions behind passing the bills look at them as threats for their freedom. There are bills for controlling piracy, then, why these new bills are needed?


What do you think about SOPA and PIPA?

Is this opposition and blacking out by Wikipedia ( English) and other major sites on world wide web justified?

Edited by Thinker13 on 01/18/12 - 12:05 PM
henry quirk
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Posted 01/18/12 - 1:43 PM:

"What do you think about SOPA and PIPA?"

Don’t know enough about either to comment...and, really, I don't much care...*shrug*

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"Is this opposition and blacking out by Wikipedia ( English) and other major sites on world wide web justified?"

To the folks involved: I'm certain it all seems very justified.

Me: all rather silly...especially since I can access all the cached pages of Wikipedia, and effectively bypass the blackout.

The blackout: all symbolism and little substance
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Posted 01/18/12 - 9:09 PM:

here's a summary:

http://vimeo.com/31100268

basically, it's legislation that will give the government (and the entertainment industry) greater ability to censor the internet. under this act, you can get five years in prison for downloading or posting "pirated" content. (for example, singing someone else's copyrighted song on youtube.) it's wack. as if we didn't already have too many people in jail for minor offenses such as drug possession.
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Posted 01/19/12 - 12:06 PM:

i understand the desire for artists to have greater control over their "intellectual property". but the repercussions drawn out in these initiatives push the boundaries way too far.

a lot of controversy has arisen out of walt disney corporation fighting to keep mickey mouse out of the public domain. the question is, how long should an entity keep profiting from an artistic creation after the artist who created it is long dead?

and people who violate these copyright laws, i can understand trying to prevent them from profiting on other people's work, but throwing them in jail, really? it just seems absurd to me.
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Posted 01/19/12 - 2:38 PM:

I, for one, take the notion of 'what's mine is mine' very seriously, but passing/enforcing 'law' to discourage on-line theft is the wrong road.

Steal from me and I'm far less inclined to go to the 'authorities' than I am to simply find you and take back what's mine (or the equivalent 'pound of flesh').

My way is not always feasible, I understand, but, where it is feasible: use it.
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Posted 01/19/12 - 2:52 PM:

libertygrl wrote:
i understand the desire for artists to have greater control over their "intellectual property". but the repercussions drawn out in these initiatives push the boundaries way too far.


Indeed zen

a lot of controversy has arisen out of walt disney corporation fighting to keep mickey mouse out of the public domain. the question is, how long should an entity keep profiting from an artistic creation after the artist who created it is long dead?


An important question. In many cases like in that of Vincent Van Gog, artist did not get any benefit at all during his life time and later on people made millions out of his work.

and people who violate these copyright laws, i can understand trying to prevent them from profiting on other people's work, but throwing them in jail, really? it just seems absurd to me.


Yes, it has something absurd.
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Posted 01/19/12 - 3:13 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
I, for one, take the notion of 'what's mine is mine' very seriously, but passing/enforcing 'law' to discourage on-line theft is the wrong road.



Leibniz and Newton invented something very significant for Science and Mathematics in the form of Calculus. Though both of them did so independently, it was perhaps partially because of the power that the chair of Royal Society gave to Newton and partially because of some jealous people that Leibniz had to face some difficulty in getting full credit for his work. Leibniz indeed started later than Newton but evidence shows that he invented Calculus independently.

In this case, as plethora of work by Bertrand Russel shows, Leibniz turns out to be a greater genius than Newton. No matter how powerful Newton was or has been, some very educated opinions from Russel and like give due credit to Leibniz.

That said, both of them were Polymaths and Universal Geniuses. They would not have been discredited just because one of them would have invented a tool prior to the other. The productivity of Leibniz and Newton was astounding and that makes both of them unique.


Leonardo Da Vinci also had so many achievements and as time has passed by his achievements have made a greater impression. The point is that creators need not always be too concerned with profit. Being too conscious of getting copied without getting credit makes you a bit less fluent than natural in my opinion.


That is however not to suggest that there should not be resistance against theft. True creativity cannot be hidden or suppressed. Here it's not just credit for creativity which seems to be at stake but business based on that creativity.

I read in one discussion that if you would have enforced such bills then Justin Bieber would not have made it so big just by one song. The message is--such platforms do help artists. The comment did say that artists make a lot by live shows and it's not just their originals being sold which make them rich. I think a lot is going on in the name of Law against piracy. Here in India a leader from ruling party filed a case against Facebook and other social networking websites because they were allegedly circulating some obscene materials, especially against the leaders of ruling party. This is just too much. Isn't it? Now, they want a total control on the messages people circulate on social networking sites. Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

I also read that mainstream media has not given full coverage to protest against SOPA and PIPA. Is this true, Henry and Lib?

Steal from me and I'm far less inclined to go to the 'authorities' than I am to simply find you and take back what's mine (or the equivalent 'pound of flesh').

My way is not always feasible, I understand, but, where it is feasible: use it.


I understand. In that way, you would at least fight for your right. There is much visibility. In case of Law-That-Forces-Things-Absurdum on you there is no visibility and a lot is going on behind the gates.
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