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Thinker13
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Posted 01/02/12 - 11:01 PM:
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This question is inspired partially by Conspiracy Theorists suggesting that media controlled by manipulators of masses has made celebrities and it's a contrivance to divert attention from vital issues.


Even if you do not believe in Conspiracy Theories: Don't you feel sometimes that media has lionized some people functioning in some fields and then almost everyone is hell bent on capturing every move of such personalities; be it their marriages or sneezing or hairstyle or delivering a baby.


Do you think that there is a reason behind following celebrities passionately which goes beyond the mass subliminal programming?



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Posted 01/03/12 - 10:10 AM:

Media (print, broadcast, virtual, etc.) is all about what it's always been about: filling up the spaces around the advertising, and, directing folks to look 'here' instead of 'there', think 'this' instead of 'that', do 'this' instead of 'that'.
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Posted 01/03/12 - 2:20 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
Media (print, broadcast, virtual, etc.) is all about what it's always been about: filling up the spaces around the advertising, and, directing folks to look 'here' instead of 'there', think 'this' instead of 'that', do 'this' instead of 'that'.



Who does this 'directing' and why?


Think 'this' and why not 'that'?
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Posted 01/04/12 - 9:34 AM:

"Who does this 'directing' and why?"

The folks with big money (those 'in' power).
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Posted 01/04/12 - 9:50 AM:

henry quirk wrote:
"Who does this 'directing' and why?"

The folks with big money (those 'in' power).



Seems true.
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Posted 01/05/12 - 12:38 PM:

i think there are probably two factors at play.

one is the manipulation of the media, as you suggest. distraction from vital issues is not a difficult conspiracy to believe at all.

another is that many people are genuinely fascinated by celebrities. some celebrities, such as athletes, may be impressive due to physical strength and agility. other celebrities, such as actors and musicians, may impress with their talent and charisma. all these factors, together with obvious wealth and tremendous social influence, add up to something people are curious about and fascinated by.

if you were to take a survey across homes in america and ask people what kind of things they are more interested in hearing about, for example angelina jolie or the slaughter of muslim children with cluster bombs, i think we would see there a clear expression of interest in things celebrity-related, even without any sort of media manipulation.
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Posted 01/05/12 - 1:10 PM:

libertygrl wrote:


another is that many people are genuinely fascinated by celebrities. some celebrities, such as athletes, may be impressive due to physical strength and agility. other celebrities, such as actors and musicians, may impress with their talent and charisma. all these factors, together with obvious wealth and tremendous social influence, add up to something people are curious about and fascinated by.


I also had this notion in the back of my mind regarding the root cause of 'Celebrities' culture. Even kids follow some heroes since very beginning. Is it because culture endows in them hero-worship or is it because of some internal coding? I think, it's very difficult to delineate. I do think though, that if we remove mass-programming by media, we would still be left with some kind of respect about heroes.

Celebrities are not exactly synonymous with heroes but I feel that mythologies have created so many heroes since time immemorial, be it Greek culture or Indian culture or any other ancient civilization. Mythology and hero-worship are inherent in human nature IMO.

What do you think, lib?




if you were to take a survey across homes in america and ask people what kind of things they are more interested in hearing about, for example angelina jolie or the slaughter of muslim children with cluster bombs, i think we would see there a clear expression of interest in things celebrity-related, even without any sort of media manipulation.


IMO it's because most of us are addicted to sugar and honey. We need pleasure. I might be reading too much here, but drug addiction is also the side of the coin which has another side as celebrity-following. That might also be related to why we see so few people interested in Philosophy. Why break head when you forget things easily; what is use?


Very keen points, lib.
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Posted 01/05/12 - 1:51 PM:

"people are genuinely fascinated by celebrities"

Unfortunately: true.

And: I don't get it... raspberry
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Posted 01/05/12 - 2:07 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
"people are genuinely fascinated by celebrities"

Unfortunately: true.

And: I don't get it... raspberry



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Since very beginning of my life, I have been engrossed by 'hidden-celebrities' or by sub-celebrities, which does not mean that celebrities have not affected me at all, still, in most of the cases, celebrities with substance( in my opinion) touched me more than the most celebrated celebrities. My colleagues used to remark on weird choices of favorites but those were not 'universally weird' choices ( as I discovered later-on).
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Posted 01/10/12 - 10:44 AM:

I would like to add an example, which I believe is completely relevant to this thread and goes to show the influence the media can have.
The celebrities become, of course, those those people the media decides to focus on. Unfortunately they are not always the ones deserving it the most.
Take the example of the death of Steve Jobs and Dennis MacAlistair Ritchie. Dennis Ritchie and Steve Jobs probably brought the same contribution to computer sciences, yet Jobs' death is something we've all heard of. Do I hear voices asking whether Dennis Ritchie is dead, or who the hell was he? I probably do, I was one of those voices. That's because the media, relishing Jobs' death as the only important news they've had in months, forgot to snap out of it and realise, that the world didn't just stop when Steve died, things kept happening and more news material was available. Or it was probably because for some reason Steve Jobs sells better than Dennis Ritchie. Might be. In which case, sadly enough, we'll always get from the media whatever the majority wants to hear and will be forced to miss out on things that we might actually be interested in.
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Posted 01/10/12 - 11:48 AM:

annaatkins wrote:
I would like to add an example, which I believe is completely relevant to this thread and goes to show the influence the media can have.
The celebrities become, of course, those those people the media decides to focus on. Unfortunately they are not always the ones deserving it the most.
Take the example of the death of Steve Jobs and Dennis MacAlistair Ritchie. Dennis Ritchie and Steve Jobs probably brought the same contribution to computer sciences, yet Jobs' death is something we've all heard of. Do I hear voices asking whether Dennis Ritchie is dead, or who the hell was he? I probably do, I was one of those voices. That's because the media, relishing Jobs' death as the only important news they've had in months, forgot to snap out of it and realise, that the world didn't just stop when Steve died, things kept happening and more news material was available. Or it was probably because for some reason Steve Jobs sells better than Dennis Ritchie. Might be. In which case, sadly enough, we'll always get from the media whatever the majority wants to hear and will be forced to miss out on things that we might actually be interested in.




I concur. I think, this one was widely circulated on Facebook too.
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Posted 01/10/12 - 12:01 PM:

Yes it was...which goes to show there is always an alternative laughing
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Posted 01/11/12 - 9:41 AM:

annaatkins wrote:
Yes it was...which goes to show there is always an alternative laughing



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Posted 01/12/12 - 6:21 PM:

hi anna, a belated welcome to the couch. always nice to see new faces around here. smiling face

Thinker13 wrote:
Celebrities are not exactly synonymous with heroes but I feel that mythologies have created so many heroes since time immemorial, be it Greek culture or Indian culture or any other ancient civilization. Mythology and hero-worship are inherent in human nature IMO.

What do you think, lib?

i think you are right that there is a very distinct similarity there. i have seen people treat celebrities as if they are beyond human in some way. the excitement that fans get in meeting and interacting with celebrities, and yes in some cases these are too their heroes, is probably otherworldly for some. angelina jolie is a hero to me, not because she's beautiful or famous but because of her humanitarian work. people who relieve the suffering of others are to me the real heroes, but yes i think you are right in that some of humanity's natural attitudes toward heroes has carried over in modern times toward celebrities.
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Posted 01/13/12 - 2:15 AM:

libertygrl wrote:
hi anna, a belated welcome to the couch. always nice to see new faces around here. smiling face



As an aside: In southern part of India, 'Anna' is used for 'elder brother'. smiling face
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