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libertygrl
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Posted 12/12/11 - 1:02 PM:
Subject: Teachers vs. parents
Came across the following article:

www.cnn.com/2011/09/06/livi...-parents/index.html?mid=54

I know some of you have some experience in childrearing, was curious to know your thoughts. Do you find yourself siding with the parents in this article, or the teachers?

One thing I don't really care for about the article is that they seem to want you to assume that the teacher is always right. Not that I think assuming the teacher is always wrong is the best way to go about it either, but I think the message is meant to be mainly about caring for your kids' future than maybe issues of pride. Teachers are capable of being wrong, though.

I like one of the quotes from the comments: "A wise man once said, "he who cannot see both sides of an argument, has no opinion of his own."
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Posted 12/12/11 - 3:39 PM:

Well I've been on both sides and can speak for both sides. In most cases the details are what should determine the action and I've seen extreme action on both sides. A teacher opperates under a principle of 'In Loco Parentis', which seems to be swinging back in favor of the teacher. I taught in the 70's and observed more questionable acts by teachers than parents, but the article states several more recient instances of acts that are over-reaction by parents. With my own children 2 seemed to cope with the school well enough but the one did not do well at all, and we home-schooled her in her last year, and in this case I spent a lot of time in confrontation on her behalf. I listened to what she said, and the vice-principal, and looked at the situation and sided with her in most cases. The school was being unreasonable in my opinion. My decision to leave was more due to the students than anything else, but I know other ex-teachers so it is not uncommon. The school and the teacher must have authority over the students for safety and if any kind of education is to take place. I would also argue for the right of the teacher and the adminstration to expell a student if necessary for the safety education of other students. One thought in regard of the article 'extremes do not prove the mean' these extreme cases should be looked at realistically and delt with in a reasonable manner. Many 'old school' teachers would like to be 'always right' but that is falling out of favor with some of the new teachers coming into the profession, it wasn't many years ago I had the oportunity and completely rejected the prospect of going back into teaching, I wouldn't even consider substituting.
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Posted 12/13/11 - 7:24 PM:

I had a lot more sympathy for teachers before reading that article.
Was hoping for a little more in the way of reasoned arguments and less in the way of pathetic hand-wringing, but that's just me.

The response by thedoc above was a much better read imo.

It really put me in mind of a favorite saying of my uncle's from many years ago while he was a professional student, "those who can do, those who can't teach." He is of course now a teacher. Guess I'll have to ask him how he feels about that saying now.

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Posted 12/13/11 - 7:43 PM:

I heard a slightly different one and a bit longer.

Those who can, do.

Those who can't do, Teach.

Those who can't teach, teach the teachers to teach.

I guess I reverted from the 2nd line to the 1st line as I went from teaching to doing, in the same fields. I liked doing much better than teaching.
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Posted 12/13/11 - 8:09 PM:

The rewards of doing (see what I have wrought) are much more tangible and immediate than those of teaching.
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Posted 12/13/11 - 8:59 PM:

Not always, I had been helping my one grandson with his homework not too long ago, and there was nothing better than watching him as he finally understood what was being taught, it was like a light going on, and in many ways better than making some object.
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Posted 12/13/11 - 9:02 PM:

On the other hand there is not much that compairs to making something and then watching the reaction of others, especially the grandchildren. My one grandson will tell me that 'You're the best fixer ever', especially when he wants me to fix one of his toys.
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Posted 01/10/12 - 11:03 AM:

JrnymnX wrote:
The rewards of doing (see what I have wrought) are much more tangible and immediate than those of teaching.


The results of teaching might not be as immediate and tangible as those of doing, but who's to say that those are the criteria according to which you can decide which one is more valuable.

I have been teaching for 3 years. In the beginning, due to my previous negative experience with my school teachers, I was extremely unhappy I had to be one of them. It was only after a while, that I realised that I didn't want to be one of them, that things can and should be done in a different way and that teaching somebody was far more enjoyable and important, than my teachers had lead me to believe. If you come to think about it, teachers do play an important role in turning today's children into tomorrow's grown-ups. If only all teachers would be aware of the huge responsability lying on their shoulders and take it more seriously....
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