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libertygrl
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Posted 11/10/11 - 2:14 PM:
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What do you guys think of this Joe Paterno controversy? For those not familiar with the situation, Penn State head coach Joe Paterno received word from a graduate assistant back in 2002 that his defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky was seen sexually assaulting a 10-year-old boy. Paterno reported to the school's athletic director but it seems no one did anything about it until last week, when Sandusky was arrested on 40 counts of sexual abuse against 8 young boys over a 15 year period.

Yesterday, Paterno was fired together with the school president. Are these appropriate recourses in your view? Some people feel that Paterno did exactly as he should, according to school policy. Others feel he should have gone directly to the police. Some believe the graduate assistant should have put a stop to the sexual assault himself when he witnessed it back in 2002.

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Posted 11/10/11 - 2:25 PM:

As I wrote elsewhere...


Fuck Joe Paterno.

He served at the pleasure of the university.

If he feels his discharge was unjust: he can sue.

The meat of the matter is NOT Paterno.

From Wikipedia: "Mike McQueary, then a graduate assistant, told Paterno in 2002 that he had seen Sandusky performing a sex act on a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities..."

McQueary, as I understand it, walked in on Sandusky and the boy and did squat to intervene.

Why isn't someone horsewhipping McQueary?


"Well, he followed procedure and reported what he saw to a superior."


Er, fuck procedure, fuck the law: If someone walks in on an adult using my five-year old nephew in such a way, I expect that someone to STOP the event, right then and there.

If *I walk in on an adult using a child in such a way, someone will be hurt.

Let the police sort out the details AFTER you horsewhip the pervert.
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Posted 11/10/11 - 2:29 PM:

henry quirk wrote:

Er, fuck procedure, fuck the law: If someone walks in on an adult using my five-year old nephew in such a way, I expect that someone to STOP the event, right then and there.

If *I walk in on an adult using a child in such a way, someone will be hurt.

Let the police sort out the details AFTER you horsewhip the pervert.



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Posted 11/10/11 - 2:33 PM:

henry wrote:
If *I walk in on an adult using a child in such a way, someone will be hurt.

i have to say, i feel the same way. i imagine the sight of such a thing would easily make me go ballistic.
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Posted 11/10/11 - 8:13 PM:

HA, I posted this on another forum and you should see how everyone went ballistic when I even suggested 'Innocent till proven Guilty'. I'm not saying I would not have pulled the guy off and done him some violence, but there are proper procedures under the law, for the perpetrator to be convicted, otherwisw he walks.
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Posted 11/11/11 - 10:25 AM:

"there are proper procedures under the law, for the perpetrator to be convicted, otherwisw he walks"

No doubt.

As I say: 'Let the police (and, by extension, the legal process) sort out the details AFTER you horsewhip the pervert.'

Can't see how horsewhipping the perv (caught in the act) endangers any case a DA wants to make later when the details (of the act) are fed into the 'machine' for processing.
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Posted 11/11/11 - 7:04 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
Can't see how horsewhipping the perv (caught in the act) endangers any case a DA wants to make later when the details (of the act) are fed into the 'machine' for processing.

unfortunately, i think doc makes a good point. if the perpetrator gets assaulted, he then gets to play the victim, it just complicates the case. it can be argued that it amounts to surrendering the moral high ground.

i'm surprised mcqueary still has his job amidst all this (the grad student who witnessed it in 2002 and who is currently an assistant coach at penn state).
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Posted 11/11/11 - 10:40 PM:

As Henry knows, I know something about the tables being turned. Tell the truth and let the system work, it usually ends up right.
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Posted 11/14/11 - 10:34 AM:

Well, when I say 'horsewhipping the perv' I'm specifically talking about the McQueary situation (walking in as the abuse is happening).

Suspicions of abuse alone probably don't warrant such upfront action (a call to the cops is more appropriate).
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Posted 11/14/11 - 11:14 AM:

henry quirk wrote:
Well, when I say 'horsewhipping the perv' I'm specifically talking about the McQueary situation (walking in as the abuse is happening).

Suspicions of abuse alone probably don't warrant such upfront action (a call to the cops is more appropriate).



Correct, walking in on the act in progress and taking action is defensable as a variation of 'Self Defense' 'Defense of a third party' but the sticky part here is how far would Penn State go to protect the coach in question if they could hush it up?

If someone comes to you and says that they witnessed something, that is hearsay and is not even admissable as evidence. That would be much easier to sweep under the carpet.
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Posted 11/14/11 - 11:47 AM:

thedoc wrote:



Correct, walking in on the act in progress and taking action is defensable as a variation of 'Self Defense' 'Defense of a third party' but the sticky part here is how far would Penn State go to protect the coach in question if they could hush it up?

If someone comes to you and says that they witnessed something, that is hearsay and is not even admissable as evidence. That would be much easier to sweep under the carpet.



You have made a point here, methinks!
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Posted 11/15/11 - 2:31 PM:

"...a variation of 'Self Defense' 'Defense of a third party'..."


I'm sick of "The Law"...another 'god' foisted up for enforced worship.

McQueary should've hurt Sandusky.

That he didn't is just cause for someone to hurt him.

'Just Society' be damned.
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Posted 11/15/11 - 2:52 PM:

not only did mcqueary *not* do anything to stop it while it was happening, he was apparently perfectly fine with seeing sandusky walk around freely for years, keeping his job as if nothing had happened. how is it that so many people saw fit to just look the other way? could it have something to do with the whole "i'm not a rat" psychology that we are conditioned to believe is a virtue?
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Posted 11/15/11 - 3:14 PM:

"i'm not a rat"

I think it's 'ostrich syndrome' (it didn't happen, I didn't see that, I'm not responsible).
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Posted 11/15/11 - 3:20 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
"i'm not a rat"

I think it's 'ostrich syndrome' (it didn't happen, I didn't see that, I'm not responsible).



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