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Posted 10/20/11 - 4:05 PM:
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henry have you heard about this?

www.klfy.com/story/15717759...759/second-hand-dealer-law

seems very strange (not to mention probably contrary to federal law?), i wonder what the reasoning is behind it. any guesses, anyone?
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Posted 10/20/11 - 4:08 PM:

the article says they're trying to discourage the resale of stolen goods, and yet pawn shops are exempt from the bill. sisyphus
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Posted 10/21/11 - 9:45 AM:

Yeah, I saw a bit on that insane law on the evening, local, news the other night.

Absolutely nuts: a law declaring legal tender 'illegal'.

It's for crap and it won't stand.

As for the 'reason': I'm bettin' it has much less to do with discouraging the sale of stolen goods and way more to do with protecting the turf of pawn shops.

Dig deep enough and you'll find Hardy, and others, having been 'lobbied' by local pawn shop owners who felt threatened by "Goodwill...garage sales...the Pioneer Trading Post and flea markets".

Edited by henry quirk on 10/24/11 - 9:35 AM. Reason: traded an 'm' for an 'n'... ;)
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Posted 10/21/11 - 12:33 PM:

your explanation makes a hell of a lot more sense
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Posted 10/24/11 - 9:31 AM:

Years ago: I wrote for two papers (in Slidell and Covington). There was a thing in the local, parish, gov, an ordinance, that would prevent adult bookstore and video shops from operating within the parish limits.

This ordinance (which did pass, as I recall) left only one adult video shop way the hell out in Ponchatoula as a source for dirty movies and books.

In the process of researching the story: I found out one of the sponsors of the ordinance was an owner in the Ponchatoula business.

Now: the 'reason' adult bookstores and video shops were essentially being outlawed in St. Tammany parish was some cockeyed combination of zoning problems and to discourage traffic in what might be considered by some to be a kind of immorality or amorality.

It was clear to me, however, the real reason was all about preserving a 'monopoly' (of sorts) on the local, legal, smut market.

*shrug*

Never trust a politician... laughing
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Posted 10/24/11 - 9:46 AM:

henry quirk wrote:
Years ago: I wrote for two papers (in Slidell and Covington). There was a thing in the local, parish, gov, an ordinance, that would prevent adult bookstore and video shops from operating within the parish limits.

This ordinance (which did pass, as I recall) left only one adult video shop way the hell out in Ponchatoula as a source for dirty movies and books.

In the process of researching the story: I found out one of the sponsors of the ordinance was an owner in the Ponchatoula business.

Now: the 'reason' adult bookstores and video shops were essentially being outlawed in St. Tammany parish was some cockeyed combination of zoning problems and to discourage traffic in what might be considered by some to be a kind of immorality or amorality.

It was clear to me, however, the real reason was all about preserving a 'monopoly' (of sorts) on the local, legal, smut market.

*shrug*

Never trust a politician... laughing



Ah, what an intriguing anecdote. This reminded me, besides other things, about your mysterious 'job' of finding out things, which seems to be quite unrelated to your job of writing and which has been a mystery for me for many years now and perhaps would likely be a mystery for days to come. sticking out tongue
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Posted 10/24/11 - 10:01 AM:

I'm a snoop.

Always have been...too curious about what's happening behind that closed door and locked window.

My snooping impulse has 'expressed' itself in a number of ways over the years but -- now -- I'm a 'professional' snoop...I offer civil and criminal 'research' (that is: I snoop around through archives -- hard and digital -- and poke around people's lives).

Not all that mysterious: I'm just a nosey parker... wink
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Posted 10/26/11 - 10:44 AM:

henry quirk wrote:
I'm a snoop.

Always have been...too curious about what's happening behind that closed door and locked window.

My snooping impulse has 'expressed' itself in a number of ways over the years but -- now -- I'm a 'professional' snoop...I offer civil and criminal 'research' (that is: I snoop around through archives -- hard and digital -- and poke around people's lives).

Not all that mysterious: I'm just a nosey parker... wink



Very Interesting,
Many years ago when I was buying and selling on EBay, another user was asking me questions about some of the trains he had listed and I was giving him the answers. He paid me one of the nicest compliments I ever got, he said "I wish you were my neighbor, then I could ask you questions whenever I wanted." In a similar way I wish you were my neighbor now.



Edited by thedoc on 10/27/11 - 8:24 PM
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Posted 10/26/11 - 10:50 AM:

Oh, BTW,

Edited by thedoc on 10/27/11 - 8:25 PM
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Posted 10/26/11 - 11:03 AM:

henry quirk wrote:
I'm a snoop.

Always have been...too curious about what's happening behind that closed door and locked window.

My snooping impulse has 'expressed' itself in a number of ways over the years but -- now -- I'm a 'professional' snoop...I offer civil and criminal 'research' (that is: I snoop around through archives -- hard and digital -- and poke around people's lives).

Not all that mysterious: I'm just a nosey parker... wink



Have you watched Page-Eight? It's a very recent movie, though I did not like it much, it's related to snooping professionally!
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Posted 10/27/11 - 8:58 AM:

Doc, the 'documents' probably won't have much of a direct, in-court, effect on the disposition of your current situation, BUT, if the documents (signatures) are forged, then you and the others targeted have one helluva case against the party responsible.

Do your homework today: get all the folks whose signatures were forged to stand in the same place (so to speak) and -- by elimination -- you should have a good idea of who the forger is.

Then: have your lawyer contact the scumbag and see what can be done to make your situation 'go away'.

If the scumbag won't play, or, if the DA in your place won't drop the matter even if the 'victim' requests he do so, then (you, along with the others) sue the scumbag.

Spread the misery. I say.

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Thinker, I read a little about 'Page Eight'...not my cuppa.

I prefer to 'do' (writing, snooping)...reading about either (or watching films about either) is boring as sin to me.
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Posted 10/27/11 - 3:50 PM:

Henry, we are working on it, but as I'm sure you know the wheels of justice grind slowly.



Edited by thedoc on 10/27/11 - 8:24 PM
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Posted 10/27/11 - 4:24 PM:

"the wheels of justice grind slowly"

Good.

If only those wheels would just 'stop'...*sigh*

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"As far as getting all the others to stand together, I'm not on very good terms with all of them, so a 3rd party might be better..."

After reviewing the relevant documentation, if your lawyer is aligned with you (that some crime has been committed: forgery or whatnot), have him be the point man. Your lawyer could communicate to each of these folks that each has possibly been defrauded in some way, and, (most importantly) that unless they challenge the legitimacy of the documents, each will be held and bound by those documents.

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"...but we might have enough to get the DA moving and do the investigation, which might have better results, if people are afraid to cross the DA. and come clean"

Yeah...thing is: pursuing things as a criminal matter might have this crap dragging on a lot longer than you may like (and, in the end, may not accomplish anything...righteous shit gets dismissed all the time...folks who should rot, walk free as a bird). On the other hand: if you successfully win a civil case, then (as a matter of legal foundation) the criminal case is already 'proved', so to speak, and the DA may no option but to indict and try.

I'm no lawyer and everything above is educated conjecture...take 'me' with a boulder of salt... wink
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Posted 10/27/11 - 6:13 PM:

Changed to a PM, the wife was nervous.

Edited by thedoc on 10/27/11 - 8:23 PM
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Posted 10/28/11 - 12:32 PM:

Doc, I didn't get a private (if you sent one).
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Posted 10/28/11 - 1:30 PM:

thedoc wrote:
Changed to a PM, the wife was nervous.

ah yes thanks, i was going to ask if you guys could continue discussing this via PM anyway (or in another thread so this one can stay on topic), cheers thumb up

(p.s. - not that i mind a few off-topic asides, but for off-topic discussion this involved it would be great to keep it separate please. i just like to keep the topics tidy for the sake of people stumbling onto couch topics through google searches! thanks guys)
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Posted 10/28/11 - 5:06 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
Doc, I didn't get a private (if you sent one).



I tried to send the text of those posts, maybe I just didn't do it right, but it was only what you had read before, the wife was afraid someone would see it and figure exactly who it was about. It seems very unlikely but possible.
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Posted 10/28/11 - 5:12 PM:

Sorry I guess it was a bit off topic but Henry's comment struck a cord and we just got carried away. We have been exchanging ideas for some time now and are sort of comfortable with each other.

Also from what I have been able to gather most people think you can't ban legal tender as being illegal. It won't stand up in court.
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Posted 10/28/11 - 5:14 PM:

thedoc wrote:
Sorry I guess it was a bit off topic but Henry's comment struck a cord and we just got carried away. We have been exchanging ideas for some time now and are sort of comfortable with each other.

ah, no worries doc.

thedoc wrote:
Also from what I have been able to gather most people think you can't ban legal tender as being illegal. It won't stand up in court.

that's what i would think. boggles the mind that no one challenged it before the bill got passed.
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Posted 10/28/11 - 5:36 PM:

libertygrl wrote:

ah, no worries doc.


that's what i would think. boggles the mind that no one challenged it before the bill got passed.



Thankyou.

I believe that there are procedural issues that a challenge needs to be made to a law that is on the books. These challenges usually are in the form of someone breaking the law but you can't break it if it is not in effect yet.
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