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libertygrl
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Posted 10/08/11 - 11:24 PM:
Subject: Foolish heart?
Interesting story coming out of Toronto about a woman who forgave and married a man with a history of first degree murder - he had killed a previous girlfriend in a fit of rage. The comments on the story are interesting. Most people clearly criticize her for being a fool and many even blame her for being responsible for his later crimes. What are your thoughts? Should a murderer never be forgiven, or given second chances?

www.theglobeandmail.com/lif...-her/article2195149/page3/
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Posted 10/10/11 - 8:36 AM:

"Should a murderer never be forgiven, or given second chances?"

Depends entirely on the nature of the crime, the individual responsible, and the discernment of he or she who would forgive.
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Posted 10/10/11 - 9:48 AM:

I agree with that. People seem to think a murderer should be locked up forever and never given another chance to integrate with society. This man she married ended up kidnapping and raping two other women. The commenters blame the woman who married him for "tolerating" his psychotic behavior, and they also blame the court and psychiatric evaluations who declared him fit to be released.
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Posted 10/10/11 - 11:22 AM:

libertygrl wrote:
I agree with that. People seem to think a murderer should be locked up forever and never given another chance to integrate with society. This man she married ended up kidnapping and raping two other women. The commenters blame the woman who married him for "tolerating" his psychotic behavior, and they also blame the court and psychiatric evaluations who declared him fit to be released.



'Forever'---you mean for the life time of the murderer?

Again----if eternity is the time duration, all of us will be sinners and saints because balance sheet would get proper!
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Posted 10/10/11 - 11:32 AM:

Thinker wrote:
'Forever'---you mean for the life time of the murderer?

yes, for life is what i meant smiling face
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Posted 10/10/11 - 11:38 AM:

libertygrl wrote:

yes, for life is what i meant smiling face



Very well!

Who are 'keepers of buttons'? you can respond in any thread ( and if you want to respond at all!) smiling face
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Posted 10/10/11 - 1:19 PM:

Thinker13 wrote:
Who are 'keepers of buttons'? you can respond in any thread ( and if you want to respond at all!) smiling face

www.thecouchforum.com/comme...d=1712&page=last#post21205
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Posted 10/11/11 - 1:14 AM:

Perhaps her new memoir should be titled: Through the Glass Bell Jar.
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Posted 10/30/11 - 11:23 AM:

Well, if he truly regrets what he did, and if he is benevolent to his victims, yes under those circumstances I could imagine a woman could fall in love such a man.
To be honest, those men are rear (unfortunately)

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Posted 10/31/11 - 10:09 AM:

Forgiveness is a personal matter. It really isn't for us to say.

Justice and just punishment are very different. As a principle, it's just a matter of guilt, as objective as humanly possible. There it's the rules of the state that decide, and of course, a judge and/or a jury.
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Posted 10/31/11 - 4:57 PM:

There are two aspects to this question, the personal and the legal according to the state. I hope you will excuse the religious reference but this sums it up pretty well,

Luke 20:25
King James Version (KJV)

25And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

In this case the reference to God could just as well apply to your personal feelings.

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Posted 11/04/11 - 12:51 PM:

thedoc wrote:
In this case the reference to God could just as well apply to your personal feelings.

very interesting perspective doc, i can't say i disagree but i wonder if i'm interpreting it the same way, since my interpretation of god may be a little different from the norm. care to elucidate? in your view, how does one render god's things to god in terms of one's personal feelings?
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Posted 11/29/11 - 6:01 AM:

If somebody you loved committed an act of murder, you would probably want to forgive them too.

Perhaps she saw enough of a change in him to believe that he would never do it again.

Besides, since when has love ever been rational?

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Posted 11/30/11 - 12:00 AM:

libertygrl wrote:

very interesting perspective doc, i can't say i disagree but i wonder if i'm interpreting it the same way, since my interpretation of god may be a little different from the norm. care to elucidate? in your view, how does one render god's things to god in terms of one's personal feelings?



One point I can comment on is that your concept of God would probably fit inside my concept of God, so no matter how far off the norm yours is it's OK with me. And, just out of curiosity, I'd like to hear your's. Personal feelings only need to be acknowledged honestly, not necessarily acted on, depending on the potential hurt involved, but at least don't lie to yourself.
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Posted 11/30/11 - 5:18 PM:

thedoc wrote:
One point I can comment on is that your concept of God would probably fit inside my concept of God, so no matter how far off the norm yours is it's OK with me. And, just out of curiosity, I'd like to hear your's.

a good question. started a new topic to address this.
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