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Posted 05/31/11 - 12:38 PM:
Subject: Hey cripes are you around?
neuroskeptic.blogspot.com/2...c-brains-genes-differ.html

Thought this study might interest you, would love hear your thoughts (and anyone's) if you have any on these findings. Do you think this study (taken from a sample of less than 40 individuals) is a good indication of the bigger picture? How do you feel about the juxtaposition presented in the study between "autistic" brains and "healthy" ones? Should autism be treated as a disease?
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Posted 06/01/11 - 6:18 AM:

I think the selection process is changing from 'natural' to 'preferred' among and within the human species. Perhaps 'preferred' is merely an extension of 'natural'. That's no surprise really because we've been practicing this in fruits, vegetables, plants, rodents, and animals lately. It only makes sense humans are next.

Do I think those we've labeled as 'autistic' are diseased? No. I think it's a variation within animal species', but the word 'variation', at least as applied to living things, is slowly morphing into the word 'disease'. Would these people survive on their own? Many would not, and that, I suppose, qualifies them as diseased. We've changed the definition of survival from one of individual ability to that which includes the group. This, of course, gives the group rights on what the individual is, or should be.

I wish it were possible to check back every 50,000 years or so and observe the path of life.

On the research itself: it is what it is. There's no disputing the fact that differences are observed within the human brain, and the fact that those differences focused on in this article is of Synapse genes and immune genes.

I wonder at what point the scientific community will be satisfied that they've actually brought Jesus to life. Do you think that would be the onset of Armageddon?



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Posted 06/01/11 - 8:14 PM:

cripes wrote:
Perhaps 'preferred' is merely an extension of 'natural'.

it's a useful distinction but yes, i do think "preferred" is only "natural" in its next state of evolution.

cripes wrote:
It only makes sense humans are next.

oh, the controversy! did you see the thread about scientists wanting to add lithium to the public water to improve people's moods? they are citing as support for its implementation the ease with which american society has embraced genetically modified organisms.

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Would these people survive on their own? Many would not, and that, I suppose, qualifies them as diseased.

on the other hand, many autistic individuals have talents and skills far beyond the "healthy", "undisordered" individual. is that something society wants to be rid of? to me, disease is something undesirable as a whole, like cancer. things like autism, schizophrenia, bipolarity, ADHD and so on would be better integrated as personality types. i think the idea of trying to get rid of these "disorders" is seriously problematic. how to cope with the undesirable aspects should still be addressed, though.

cripes wrote:
I wish it were possible to check back every 50,000 years or so and observe the path of life.

maybe such a thing will actually be possible in the near future.

thanks for sharing your thoughts!
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Posted 08/26/12 - 8:31 PM:

new findings pertaining to autism:

www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/...-disorders-and-autism.html

"So here’s the short of it: At least a subset of autism — perhaps one-third, and very likely more — looks like a type of inflammatory disease. And it begins in the womb."
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Posted 08/26/12 - 10:31 PM:

the real problems arrise when everything is labeled as a 'disease', then the AMA gets to regulate it and the drug companies get to develope a 'cure' and profit from it. ADD used to be something you just dealt with as behavior, now the kids are drugged to make them perfect little robots. Perhaps some 'conditions' could be better delt with by better parenting and proper diet, (less processed and more natural). My children grew up on real Maple syrup, butter, well water, and as much unprocessed food as we could get. They are doing well so far.
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Posted 08/27/12 - 6:48 AM:

QUOTE CRIPESW :I wonder at what point the scientific community will be satisfied that they've actually brought Jesus to life. Do you think that would be the onset of Armageddon? .
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Like doubting THOMAS they wont be satisfied until thev have seen him with their own eyes and that will be at his return smiling face

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Posted 08/30/12 - 9:56 PM:

libertygrl wrote:
new findings pertaining to autism:

www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/...-disorders-and-autism.html

"So here’s the short of it: At least a subset of autism — perhaps one-third, and very likely more — looks like a type of inflammatory disease. And it begins in the womb."
Interesting article.

You're a treasure.
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Posted 08/31/12 - 10:46 AM:

thank you cripes hug
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Posted 09/05/12 - 8:23 AM:

So, I'm extremely sceptical about this article because a couple of my kids have had extensive exposure to autistic people and one thing we all agree on is the fact that those individuals further up the autism spectrum exhibit primate-like behaviours, motions and sounds.

Natural Selection is not conscious and has no plan or value so there isn't a prototypical human from that perspective - that's a human trait. It's an illusion created via the brain. So when we state that autism is due to changes in the environment like this article states, I'm a hard sell.

To me, it appears that the sapien is a young and immature species where variation is the selection process at work doing it's job as it always has. However, we've come to the point where we're capable of usurping the "natural" selection process and have been replacing it with a "preferred" one. The road we've slowly been walking down is cloning, IMV.

I personally regret that we work at keeping people alive who would otherwise not naturally survive for the sole purpose of job creation and experimentation. I realize that all might actually be the natural course of species survival. As a member of that species who is capable of reason and value judgement and one who enjoys exercising both liberally, I simple don't care for it.

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Posted 09/05/12 - 8:16 PM:

Cripes, to a point I could agree with you that many who are alive today would not be in a wild environment, I would not be here except for medical technology, and which of my children or grandchildren would not have survived? Yes, medical technology tends to shelter and protect certain genitic defects that would otherwise die out, what would we loose? Stephen Hawking was diagnosed with ALS in 1963 at age 21 and is still contributing to science and society after 49 years. Most, like my brother-in-law, are diagnosed and die in a few years, I have no doubt that a lot of expensive medical technology is involved in Hawking's survival, and perhaps his treatment will yield information that will benefit others. Regardless of your opinion of Hawking's work you must admit that he has contributed much.

We must also consider just what is the human environment, we no longer live in trees and scavage for food, we live in a technological environment, so is this our 'natural state'?

The world is evolving and there are always those who long for earlier times, but there are at least as many who look forward to the future, and are not afraid.
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Posted 09/06/12 - 6:43 AM:

QUOTE THE DOC :but there are at least as many who look forward to the future, and are not afraid.
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But if they knew what the future was bringing they would be afraid rolling eyes unlesst they had good reason not to be afraid
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