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henry quirk
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Posted 05/13/11 - 1:02 PM:
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Elsewhere, someone asked, "I would be interested to know how many here truly don't believe (in god).

My answer...


Me: I don't care if 'god' exists or not.


If 'god' exists then I can only (off the top of my head) conclude...

(1) It's 'all powerful' but (for some reason) chooses not to involve itself in the world (I see no evidence of divine intervention in the world...do you?).

Since 'god' is not involved: I'm on my own. Can't see a good reason to spend a lot of time thinking about, or seeking the attention of, a 'god' who sits back and does nothing but play voyeur (or, maybe, is off doing something else entirely).


(2) It's not 'all powerful' and -- for that reason -- can't do anything in the world.

Since 'god' is limited: I'm on my own. Can't see a good reason to spend a lot of time thinking about, or seeking the attention of, a 'god' who may want to intervene but is incapable.


(3) It's so alien in the way it thinks (in agenda, goal, purpose, etc.) its action in the world is incomprehensible and indistinguishable from natural occurrence.

Since 'god' is an alien: I'm on my own. Can't see a good reason to spend a lot of time thinking about, or seeking the attention of, a 'god' who is so far removed from me I can't hope to frame an entreaty it could even understand.


(4) It's a tricksy, manipulative, prick playing with the world like my nephew does a June bug.

Since 'god' is a fucker: I'm on my own. Only good reason to spend time thinking about 'god' (in this case) is to figure out how to fly under its radar.


Of course: there may be no 'god'...in which case: I'm on my own...*shrug*


What do YOU think?
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Posted 05/13/11 - 6:06 PM:

great topic henry thumb up

hmm, where to start. i believe in god. i believe that god exists in whatever shape or form resonates with people. the christians believe in their conception of god, pantheists obviously see it much differently, and hindu deities again are pretty different again. i've known atheists who don't believe in god but who do believe mysticism is possible. i think all these different conceptions can be valid at the same time for different people.

i think god is making all possibilities happen over time. as a pantheist i usually try to steer clear of anthropomorphizing, although doing so does make it easier sometimes to express how i feel. if god must conceived as a person, then yes, i'd say god is often a trickster. there have been times in my life that i felt the definite absence of god, but where i am now, i don't feel it's productive to cultivate hatred between myself and god - between myself and anyone, really. hatred is a real cancer - especially when people convince themselves that there is no god and still hate god anyway.

i think inspiration and intuition are divine. i do believe in divine intervention, although i don't believe it happens all the time. i also believe we have agency for a reason, so we should all do what compels us.
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Posted 05/14/11 - 10:59 AM:

God is an invention. It is an invention of a creative mind. I often felt that God (as described in the most of the traditions) is not enough wise, even when compared to some of the wisest human beings. You might really get astonished if you reflect on the wisdom of some of the human beings who have walked on this planet. Even a common person like my father, your uncle or Joe’s neighbour is, at times, wiser than so called Gods. God has consistently been engaged in ‘divide and rule’, trickery and deceit, deluding naïve people and in similar other acts, which are not held into the high esteem even by a common man.

The reason because of which God has been so mediocre and so extremely susceptible to temptations is: It is an invention of a mind which is vulnerable to these. God has been created in the image of man by the man and hence all this drama, melodrama and cameos by the God.

God of Leibniz is smarter than that of Spinoza’s (because Leibniz is smarter than Spinoza). God of Spinoza is smarter and more level headed than that of Moses’. God of Moses is too angry a God and he is like a raging bull intent on burning everything which catches his attention, because, Moses himself is full of hatred and anger for humans whom he considers minions.

God has been used as a clutch. Often and again, especially by those who are sleepwalkers and merely have a level of awareness which can be called humane. They are too scared to take burden themselves, too scared of the silence and sense of wonder.

If you really need a God, who would give you a shoulder, so that you may put your head on it; or who would give you a handkerchief when you are bursting with tears; better, you create one yourself. Use your potential to the full and create one. Why take a second hand God, full of weaknesses created and twisted by the morons to beguile you. Create one for yourself and use all the powers of your inventiveness. The size, shape and subtlety of your God will be directly proportional to that of yours. Go ahead and create one for yourself.


Edited by Thinker13 on 05/16/11 - 2:30 AM. Reason: typos
smokinpristiformis
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Posted 05/15/11 - 3:52 PM:

God is an invention. It is an invention of a creative mind.



*spoiler alert*
Reminds me of the Ilium and Olympos books by Dan Simmons. In these books, it's human creativity that creates and fuels a parallel universe, populated by gods and magical creatures.
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Posted 05/17/11 - 1:51 AM:

smokinpristiformis wrote:



*spoiler alert*
Reminds me of the Ilium and Olympos books by Dan Simmons. In these books, it's human creativity that creates and fuels a parallel universe, populated by gods and magical creatures.



Those must be very interesting read Willem. smiling face
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Posted 05/17/11 - 3:30 AM:

They were a phenomenal read. Some of the best space opera I've read, and I've read my fair share. whee Highly recommended.
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Posted 05/17/11 - 3:36 AM:

I'm with henry, to get back on topic. The true agnostic? ^^

I've always though. If there is a god, and he's letting all this shit happen, he's so not worth my time.
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Posted 05/17/11 - 12:45 PM:

out of curiosity fellas, what kind of god situation would you *prefer* (regardless of what kind you believe actually exists):

1) no god of any kind
2) existence of god but one that does not intervene in human affairs
3) existence of god that does intervene in human affairs, but intermittently
4) existence of god that intervenes consistently in everyone's affairs
5) other (please explain)
henry quirk
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Posted 05/18/11 - 2:01 PM:

I prefer: "no god of any kind".

This includes the deities of the BIG THREE, any and all human pretenders to the throne, abstract 'nature forces', political fictions, philosophical head-drummings, and biological determinisms.

Fuck 'em all... wink
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Posted 05/19/11 - 2:28 AM:

henry quirk wrote:
I prefer: "no god of any kind".

This includes the deities of the BIG THREE, any and all human pretenders to the throne, abstract 'nature forces', political fictions, philosophical head-drummings, and biological determinisms.

Fuck 'em all... wink


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