The Couch

First name basis with Osama?

Comments on First name basis with Osama?

libertygrl
Administrator
Avatar

Usergroup: Administrators
Joined: Apr 16, 2005
Location: San Francisco

Total Topics: 425
Total Comments: 4673
Posted 05/03/11 - 3:22 PM:
Subject: First name basis with Osama?
Henry's post in the "gone fishing" thread called my attention to the fact that very few people I know refer to OBL as "Bin Laden". I mean, I know it's the media that started doing this originally, now it's become common use, but you don't see them calling the president "Barack", or Gaddafi "Muammar" and so on. Why is that? Any theories?
Thinker13
Senior Member
Avatar

Usergroup: Members
Joined: Apr 27, 2009

Total Topics: 357
Total Comments: 3379
Posted 05/04/11 - 12:26 AM:

I think it should be simple to answer. More often than not, it is convenient to use a name and we start using it and we keep on using it. Some times though, some peculiar incidents set a name apart and then that (part of) name is used frequently.

For example: In India, it is easier to use OBAMA than Barack Obama ; so most of the people use Obama in conversation, when refering to US president. Whereas in case of Osama Bin Laden, it is easier to use Osama and so and so on...
libertygrl
Administrator
Avatar

Usergroup: Administrators
Joined: Apr 16, 2005
Location: San Francisco

Total Topics: 425
Total Comments: 4673
Posted 05/04/11 - 12:44 AM:

the question is why the inconsistency of using osama's first name when this is not customary with other world leaders (terrorist or otherwise).
Thinker13
Senior Member
Avatar

Usergroup: Members
Joined: Apr 27, 2009

Total Topics: 357
Total Comments: 3379
Posted 05/04/11 - 12:49 AM:

lib wrote:
the question is why the inconsistency of using osama's first name when this is not customary with other world leaders (terrorist or otherwise).


I think 'Osama' sounds easier to utter. 'Hitler' was easier to call than 'Adolf' [ or was made more famous by consistent repetition in media].

You might recall that Napolean Bonapart was called 'Napolean' mostly, whereas Fidel Castro is called 'Castro' mostly; so these inconsistencies have been there, and they have been there because of the ease of usage or because of some unque set of interesting events making a name popular...
libertygrl
Administrator
Avatar

Usergroup: Administrators
Joined: Apr 16, 2005
Location: San Francisco

Total Topics: 425
Total Comments: 4673
Posted 05/04/11 - 12:50 AM:

i wondered if it had something to do with the similarity in sound to obama... maybe the press thought it was catchy? i dunno. thanks for sharing your thoughts! it seems the tradition with royalty that first names are used (queen elizabeth, prince william, etc). but in the u.s. it's not traditionally appropriate to refer to officials & such by their first names.
Thinker13
Senior Member
Avatar

Usergroup: Members
Joined: Apr 27, 2009

Total Topics: 357
Total Comments: 3379
Posted 05/04/11 - 12:54 AM:

In the present scenario yes, it aids in making reports and sounds very interesting but as far as I recall, in India at least, media has been using 'Osama' long before 'Obama' came into the picture !
libertygrl
Administrator
Avatar

Usergroup: Administrators
Joined: Apr 16, 2005
Location: San Francisco

Total Topics: 425
Total Comments: 4673
Posted 05/04/11 - 12:59 AM:

oh, that's interesting! is it common in india to use first names? or does it really vary from person to person?
Thinker13
Senior Member
Avatar

Usergroup: Members
Joined: Apr 27, 2009

Total Topics: 357
Total Comments: 3379
Posted 05/04/11 - 1:06 AM:

libertygrl wrote:
oh, that's interesting! is it common in india to use first names? or does it really vary from person to person?



I would like to give a few examples before making any claims:

1. 'Tendulkar' is the most famous name in the world of cricket, which is the surname of the great cricketer Sachin Tendulkar!

2. 'Nehru' is the surname of Jawaharlal Nehru; the first prime minister of India. Most people use Nehru.

3. Gandhi family members cannot be called 'Gandhi' as it immediately points to M. K. Gandhi, the veteran who brought freedom; hence we use 'Sonia' or 'Rahul' ( the first names) in case of prominent Gandhi members of India.

4. 'Yuvraj' is the name used to call another famous cricketer who was 'Man of tournament' for ICC cricket world cup 2011; his full name is Yuvraj Singh { in this case, may be, it is so because 'Singh' is too common a name in India }

henry quirk
Senior Member
Avatar

Usergroup: Members
Joined: Apr 17, 2008
Location: here

Total Topics: 47
Total Comments: 1298
Posted 05/04/11 - 1:35 PM:

For myself: I refer to bin Laden as 'bin laden' simply 'cause he and me: not that close... wink
libertygrl
Administrator
Avatar

Usergroup: Administrators
Joined: Apr 16, 2005
Location: San Francisco

Total Topics: 425
Total Comments: 4673
#10 - Quote - Permalink
Posted 05/05/11 - 1:05 PM:

exactly
Search thread for
Download thread as
  • 0/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5



Sorry, you don't have permission . Log in, or register if you haven't yet.



Acknowledgements:

Couch logo design by Midnight_Monk. The photo hanging above the couch was taken by Paul.

Powered by WSN Forum. Free smileys here.
Special thanks to Maria Cristina, Jesse , Echolist Directory, The Star Online,
Hosting Free Webs, and dmoz.org for referring visitors to this site!

Copyright notice:

Except where noted otherwise, copyright belongs to respective authors
for artwork, photography and text posted in this forum.