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Posted 05/02/11 - 10:28 AM:
Subject: Osama - gone fishing
I hope you found the title funny, cuz from here on, the mood's dropping in this little post. smiling face


As much as people seem to be celebrating yesterday's event, I am a bit saddened.

Though many, among them myself, are relieved that terrorism has lost one of its most important advocates, I consider it a really really bad sign that it has come to this.
The apparent need for a special forces group to raid a house to kill a dangerous mass-murderer, really isn't something to be cheerful about. The fact that there is a need to kill a person to ensure safety of others is extremely sad. There is something very wrong with the world.
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Posted 05/02/11 - 12:12 PM:

I can't imagine what a positive difference it makes for American safety. The act of having killed Osama will only incite more Islamic and anti American fundamentalists in that region.

Reminds me of the tis for tat revenge so common to the interactions between young children.

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Posted 05/02/11 - 2:29 PM:

i'd like share something aaron, a friend of mine wrote:

Today I learned, like the rest of the world, of the death of Osama Bin Laden. My initial reaction, “I guess thats good. Finally, Its over now. We can all rest easy.” .... And then I saw the reactions in D.C. and New York and countless other places throughout America and beyond. People chanting “U.S.A” in the middle of a ball game. Jumping for joy in the streets right outside the White House. Crowds marching to the site of the fallen Twin Towers, with a bitter sweet joy on their faces. And I knew... there goes the resting easy... right out the window.

I get it. Truly I do.

What happened on 9/11/2001 will never be forgotten. The pain America felt might not be quite as strong today as 10 years ago, but its still there, and it still runs very deep. And the justice for it.... Justice must be had.

Whether this was justice or vengeance?..... I don’t care to dispute the difference. It is whatever it is. But I am saddened by America’s response. A man is dead. What is there to be so thrilled about?

Don’t mistake me. I feel no sorrow for this man’s passing. I share none of the remorse that this man’s family and followers must feel. What saddens me is not that he is dead. It’s that we as a nation are celebrating it. Celebrating!! Publicly and for all the world to see.

What exactly have we won that we should celebrate? They say history always repeats itself. Have we learned nothing from the millennium of history behind us? Death begets death, it does not bring peace.

Let me ask you, ‘what do you think his family and followers feel when they see these celebrations broadcast throughout the world?

No need to answer, I can hear America’s collective response ringing loudly in my ear... “Who gives a f*ck what they feel! Now they know a taste of what WE felt on Sept. 11, 2001” True enough, and why should you care? In truth, I really don’t care what they feel either. My point, though, takes a step beyond feeling.

So let me ask again, “When they see America and the rest of the western world celebrating the demise of their leader, what do you think they will feel? And more so, what do you think those feelings will make them DO?

Cower in their caves? Run and hide for the rest of their lives? Kneel and pay fealty to the USA? HA! We can only wish. We all know the truth, even though we dare not face it. The truth brings a shudder to my bones. A vengeance is coming. It may not be tomorrow, maybe not next year, maybe not for as long as the 10 years it took for America’s ‘justice/vengeance’ to reach Osama. But its coming, and these celebrations are the fuel of it.

If you must, then go ahead. Run in the streets until your legs can carry you no further. Dance as though you’ve won. Scream ‘Victory’ til your voice runs hoarse. But when you are through, be weary. Guard yourself and take back the caution you threw to the wind. For as long as men celebrate the death of other men, it shall never be ‘over’.

A man is dead. The loss of life should never be celebrated.

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any thoughts? lib
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Posted 05/02/11 - 6:23 PM:

If bin Laden had been killed within 30 days of the 9-11 events, then -- yes -- one might say a crippling blow had been delivered (as justice or revenge) and there might be legit cause for some celebration.

bin Laden taken out ten years after the 9-11 events is -- at best -- a minor news event, one inflated to monumental proportions by a media taken to playing propaganda machine.

Sure: bin laden's supporters are understandably miffed by the death of a friend, a leader, but any one thinking bin laden's death amounts to more than a blip in the grand scheme, or that bin Laden's death will sharpen the enemy's distaste for *'America', is just dumb.

Certainly: in the ten years since the 9-11 events: bin Laden has hand-picked successors who seamlessly stepped into the void caused by his death. Certainly: the anti-America agenda can't be any more obvious or direct(ed) than it was prior to his death.

So: insofar as I can tell, it's business as usual.

Lots of folks all over are celebrating (uselessly) at his death...let 'em...school yard antics.

Lots of folks all over will (opportunistically) take up a banner for renewed actions against 'America' (like the zeal against America was ever blunted, like anti-American plans were ever put on back burners, like the enemy -- over the past ten years -- has been cutting the West a 'break'...pffftt!).

At best: Medias should have reported that 'bin Laden was killed at 'this' time, in 'this' way, by 'these' folks, this is a comment from the White House, and now: the weather'.

This hour after hour repetition of damned little information moves the event from 'news' into 'propaganda'.

At best: after collecting photographic, videographic, and forensic evidence (to confirm the corpse was/is indeed bin Laden) the body, encased in a U.S. military body bag, should have been returned to (and left at) the place where it was 'made into a corpse'...that is: no attempts to defile or honor the corpse should have been made...the body -- after the necessary evidence was taken from it -- should have simply been dismissed (as to say to the enemy: 'this is how little we think of this person and -- by extension -- you...we simply leave him here for you, or anyone, to do with as you like...we don't care').

Finally: folks who wanna debate the 'deeper meaning' of bin Laden's death (politically or otherwise) are being hysterical, melodramatic, or just plain opportunistic.

Again: bin laden's death is -- at best -- a minor news event.




*Not only the United States of America but 'the West' of which America is the exemplar.

Edited by henry quirk on 05/02/11 - 6:46 PM. Reason: tiny corrections in punctuation
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Posted 05/03/11 - 9:57 AM:

quirk wrote:
any one thinking bin laden's death amounts to more than a blip in the grand scheme, or that bin Laden's death will sharpen the enemy's distaste for *'America', is just dumb.

can't say i disagree with anything you've said in particular, except the preemptive ad hominem.
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Posted 05/04/11 - 12:30 AM:

All of you have expressed it very eloquently. I agree with almost all of it. Lib, you have done it quite poetically! thumb up
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Posted 05/04/11 - 12:46 AM:

post #3 was not my writing, it was that of a friend of mine.
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Posted 05/04/11 - 12:52 AM:

libertygrl wrote:
post #3 was not my writing, it was that of a friend of mine.



Oh, sorry, I read it and thought that only the first paragraph was written by aaron and then you took it on...still a very eloquently expressed post. Henry has also done it very nicely. Thanks
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Posted 05/04/11 - 12:53 AM:

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Posted 05/06/11 - 12:22 PM:

a bin laden update:

"Al Qaeda confirms bin Laden is dead and vows revenge"
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/2011050...6/wl_nm/us_obama_statement
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Posted 05/06/11 - 4:56 PM:

Whatever 'they' do: 'they' were gonna do anyway...holding up bin Laden as poster boy is just marketing.
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Posted 05/07/11 - 1:06 PM:

quirk wrote:
Whatever 'they' do: 'they' were gonna do anyway


i would definitely agree with that.
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