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libertygrl
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Posted 04/25/11 - 7:52 PM:
Subject: Guantanamo Bay
Why is it that we can't just shut it down? I understand that there are some complicated problems going on in there, but we need to get these people judges and juries and get the ball rolling. It's really a sad situation.

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Posted 07/28/13 - 4:26 AM:

libertygrl wrote:
Why is it that we can't just shut it down? I understand that there are some complicated problems going on in there, but we need to get these people judges and juries and get the ball rolling. It's really a sad situation.

http://wikileaks.ch/gitmo/?foo=bar

. ...one of the first promises obame made was thar if he were. Elected he wohld close down that site . He is noww in his second term.of office and he stil.has not closed it down...shaking head
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Posted 07/31/13 - 9:53 PM:

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Posted 08/01/13 - 3:18 PM:

thedoc wrote:
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take your time doc and let me know when u figured it out but AT 75 i cant wait to long laughing zen
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Posted 08/01/13 - 5:44 PM:

It is difficult to assess just what is going on, given all the secrecy... Perhaps the difficulty arises from the belief by US intelligence that these people are national security threats, but that no concrete evidence exists to put them away through a trial-and-jury system... I really believed Obama when he said he would be shutting these despicable prisons down...
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Posted 08/01/13 - 6:04 PM:

SUNLIGHT wrote:

take your time doc and let me know when u figured it out but AT 75 I cant wait to long laughing zen



I'll wait, I posted something about Obama, and then thought better of it, since I live in his jurisdiction.
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Posted 08/01/13 - 6:10 PM:

Vagabond wrote:
It is difficult to assess just what is going on, given all the secrecy... Perhaps the difficulty arises from the belief by US intelligence that these people are national security threats, but that no concrete evidence exists to put them away through a trial-and-jury system... I really believed Obama when he said he would be shutting these despicable prisons down...


The problem comes from the government believing that they need to protect the public from the truth, because it would make the government look bad, when lying makes them look worse than telling the truth. Many times the public would support the truth but the government feels the need to invent some subterfuge to justify their actions.
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Posted 08/03/13 - 12:25 AM:

Another problem with that comes when trying to shut prisons like these down is that it's not a one-person decision. One person can try to shut them down all he/she likes. Unless the majority of people can come to a compromise, no one gets anywhere with anything. Compromise requires give and take of ideally equal proportions. In actuality the proportions are never truly equal, or in the case of the US Congress... non-existent.

It doesn't matter who the one person is. It could be myself, you, Obama, or anyone else. It takes more than one person to compromise.

I used to blame Bush for all the problems of the US. Looking back, he was just a man that was elected into office by the officials -we- elected to vote for such a thing. I still think he was inadequate... but who truly is completely adequate to take on the responsibilities of the well-being of a nation and its citizens.

That is my opinion as to why they haven't shut it down though. As to other opinions... There has never before been a president faced with such opposition in the history of the United States. That is kind of sad when we think back to Reagan and Nixon and a few others.

Honestly, I'd have preferred Hillary over Obama. Honestly, McCain could possible have won his election if he hadn't chosen who he did for VP. Honestly, I'd be happy with any president that gave it their all to promote peace, education, and good health... instead of create/partake in/encourage war, ridicule education, and trample on the health we have left.

Honestly, the reason we can't shut them down is because the US lost the ability to compromise and make rational judgements long ago. And... honestly, that's just sad.
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Posted 08/03/13 - 8:11 AM:

most presidential candidates before election do not understand the behind the scenes set up in american goverment or indeed the world wide set up ..before election to please the people they make promises that they will not be able to keep once they get in power ..obama was one , but let me give you another example ...ex president jimmy carter, he claimed to have seen a u-f-o it is on record for all to see and he decided that when in power he would demand to see all secret u-f-o records and files , when he had what he thoight was FULL power as president he demande that all secret u-f-o files be handed over to him BUT the head of cia or who was gearge bush SENIOR refused to hand over the files to the president and there was nothing that carter could do about it , such is the power of those behind rhe american govermen set up who have their own secret agenda , it was GEORGE BUSH senior who years ago made a speech which mentioned a NEW WORLD ORDER and any president that is elected must FIT in with the agenda set up by those above him who in many cases paid their electin preperation expemses ...he who pays the piper calls the tune and the president must dance to that tune .
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Posted 08/12/13 - 2:17 AM:

From three or four posts above speaks clearly that one of the root problems of Guantanamo bay is its secrecy.

That's actually quite reasonable. Withholding information from the public is by definition anti-democratic. How can we judge who to vote for without sufficient information about their policy?
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