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libertygrl
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Posted 04/23/11 - 10:59 AM:
Subject: Possessing the house & other ghost stories
* * * SPOILER ALERT * * * FILM SPOILERS AHEAD (SKELETON KEY, THE OTHERS, THE 6TH SENSE, JUST LIKE HEAVEN and MORE) * * *

Yet another spoilerized discussion on movie themes. This one dealing with ghost stories and the metaphor or theme of "possessing the house", which I tend to think of as symbolizing (among other things) immanence in one's own body. The human body/mind has a natural tendency to dissociate from its self or ego/identity when faced with difficult trauma or pain, leaving it greatly susceptible to outside influences. These influences seemingly wish to control a person or take away his or her autonomy, thus they could be personified as spirits fighting for control of a house. (The house symbolizing the body.)

I've talked about these themes in a website that I started many years ago and never finished. It's called The Moral of the Story, and chapters 2 and the unfinished 3 talk about this process of dissociation / reconciliation, and how it may be expressed symbolically in the form of a ghost story.

I was curious to know if you have any favorite ghost story films, and what symbolism you find in these stories, or do you think of them more in a literal sense? Would love to hear your thoughts.

Edited by libertygrl on 04/23/11 - 2:10 PM. Reason: misspell
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Posted 04/26/11 - 4:54 AM:

I checked the link lib. It surprised me that 'The Others' and 'Abre Los Ojos' have been your favorite movies, since 2006. It also suggests that they must be very good movies in order to rank as your favorite for such a long time( which is indeed true as I realized their value after watching them. ). Why did you give up writing on that theme?

I have also observed that you find many pages created by you across the web ( try googling Susan Lien Wigham smiling face) which remain as one page; a pattern. Is that you give up after a while or you just intend to do only that much?
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Posted 04/26/11 - 11:10 PM:

"the others" has been my favorite film of all time from the first time i saw it, in 2001. smiling face before that, my favorite film of all time was "the english patient" (still my second favorite, tied with "shutter island".)

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Why did you give up writing on that theme?

mainly because i have so many various projects in process, and there has not been much interest or feedback on that site. as i've mentioned previously, most people i've interacted with have little interest in discussing karmic themes. (other than you, that i can think of, and perhaps one other person.) i think that page has maybe had 3 or 4 total visits in all the years it's been on the web.

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I have also observed that you find many pages created by you across the web ( try googling Susan Lien Wigham smiling face) which remain as one page; a pattern. Is that you give up after a while or you just intend to do only that much?

i'm not sure what you mean by "one page"? - my moral of the story site has more than one page. smiling face most of my sites do, that i recall. my memento page is one page, that's the only one that comes to mind at the moment. that one (memento) generates a lot of interest, lots of hits every day. it was intended to only be one page. my schizophrenia website (multiple pages) also generates a lot of interest, and feedback. i'd say it probably gets as many visits daily as the couch, if not more. as a result, i probably update it the most frequently of all my sites (other than the beloved couch, of course!) the schizophrenia page is an ever-evolving work in progress.

i do have a number of incomplete websites, "moral of the story" is one example. it usually happens when i feel inspired on certain topics and just feel like sharing whatever comes to mind at the time. if the page generates a lot of interest, i'm more likely to come back to it and develop more. sometimes i just grow in other directions. never enough time in a day!
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Posted 04/27/11 - 1:00 AM:

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mainly because i have so many various projects in process, and there has not been much interest or feedback on that site. as i've mentioned previously, most people i've interacted with have little interest in discussing karmic themes. (other than you, that i can think of, and perhaps one other person.) i think that page has maybe had 3 or 4 total visits in all the years it's been on the web.

Oh! I am still awaiting your response to further our discussion in that thread on Karma. Once you are done with book we may start again!

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i'm not sure what you mean by "one page"? - my moral of the story site has more than one page. most of my sites do, that i recall. my memento page is one page, that's the only one that comes to mind at the moment. that one (memento) generates a lot of interest, lots of hits every day. it was intended to only be one page. my schizophrenia website (multiple pages) also generates a lot of interest, and feedback. i'd say it probably gets as many visits daily as the couch, if not more. as a result, i probably update it the most frequently of all my sites (other than the beloved couch, of course!) the schizophrenia page is an ever-evolving work in progress.


I also observed some of your paintings. They are very good, in fact, I do not have much of aptitude to appreciate them enough, still, and they give me a good feeling. Have you displayed your paintings in any of the Couch threads? Please provide me the link for your Memento page---I will love to read your views!

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i do have a number of incomplete websites, "moral of the story" is one example. it usually happens when i feel inspired on certain topics and just feel like sharing whatever comes to mind at the time. if the page generates a lot of interest, i'm more likely to come back to it and develop more. sometimes i just grow in other directions. never enough time in a day!


Indeed. In the end, it is all part of a creative process. thumb up
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Posted 04/28/11 - 12:19 AM:

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Oh! I am still awaiting your response to further our discussion in that thread on Karma. Once you are done with book we may start again!

i definitely plan to get back to you on that topic.

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I also observed some of your paintings. They are very good, in fact, I do not have much of aptitude to appreciate them enough, still, and they give me a good feeling. Have you displayed your paintings in any of the Couch threads?

thank you! yes, there have been a few of my paintings posted in the "gallery & open mic" section.

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Please provide me the link for your Memento page---I will love to read your views!

http://tierrasimbolica.com/memento/

i may update this page again, now that i've read "memento mori", the short story on which the film is based. however, my position as described on that page has not changed based on the reading of the short story. in fact, it has been reinforced.
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Posted 05/12/11 - 3:22 AM:

You have written a wonderful review of the movie. It seems to be even more exalted when you add to the facts that You wrote it just after the first viewing. To be honest, I could not get this much of understanding until after my 5th viewing ( and even after that I kept on watching it many times). A very thorough review. Had you watched Following, you might have taken some delight in commenting on 'The Auteur Nolan' ( see Auetur theory for reference : I reached to the Auteur theory, independently without having read it at first, many years ago. It was only a few days ago that I read about it when I was looking at the Wiki article on Orson Welles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auteur_theory) thumb upthumb upthumb up
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Posted 05/16/11 - 11:50 PM:

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You have written a wonderful review of the movie.

thank you thinker for your kind feedback! heart

i had never heard of "auteur theory" before now, although it was something i had given much thought to conceptually when i began making my own films. these thoughts were inspired by some realizations i had while taking courses from an online college some years ago. in any given course, we were each assigned to the same reading material and asked basic questions about a given selection. these questions were so simple that i thought to myself that it was really silly that all 15 or more people in each class should be required to post their answers in the public forum. obviously the answers would all be exactly the same! but it came to my surprise that there were actually so many distinct ways that people could express the exact same basic information. i made a point of not reading the other posts before composing my own, and in doing this, i came to realize the particular style of my own "voice", and the distinct style of others' voices. this being the case, even though are only so many basic plot formulas in films, the presentation is almost always unique in some way. and i realized that a filmmaker's success would largely depend on their ability to speak in their own voice.

have you read the short story on which the film memento is based?
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Posted 05/17/11 - 12:35 AM:

i made a point of not reading the other posts before composing my own, and in doing this, i came to realize the particular style of my own "voice", and the distinct style of others' voices. this being the case, even though are only so many basic plot formulas in films, the presentation is almost always unique in some way. and i realized that a filmmaker's success would largely depend on their ability to speak in their own voice.


Very pertinent lib!

I would like to share with you a similar experience about posting on forums like Couch.
If I read four five posts written by other posters on some topic, my desire to express myself on the same topic dies because I feel that they have covered almost everything and I have nothing more to say; but if I write down whatever I think or feel about the topic without giving regard to other posts I come up with some fine points or a distinct style of expressing the same points.

You might be aware of the fact that Albert Einstein did not read much text before coming up with his theory. Views of other so called ‘experts’ might have killed his creativity which came up with something totally ground breaking. You might have heard about ‘ King’s Clothes’ story as well.
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Posted 05/17/11 - 12:37 AM:

Do you recommend that I read that story, in the light of the fact that we have already reflected much on the movie and looked at it from various angles? In which case, could you please suggest an online source?
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Posted 05/17/11 - 12:38 AM:

I have not watched your movies. Would love to watch them nod
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Posted 05/17/11 - 12:42 AM:

Many of your talents I discovered only gradually! I really feel that I have not interacted with someone who is so creative in so many directions thumb up
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Posted 05/18/11 - 11:13 PM:

Thinker13 wrote:
Do you recommend that I read that story, in the light of the fact that we have already reflected much on the movie and looked at it from various angles? In which case, could you please suggest an online source?

YES. i definitely recommend you read it.

here is the link:

www.impulsenine.com/homepag...rtstories/memento_mori.htm

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Many of your talents I discovered only gradually! I really feel that I have not interacted with someone who is so creative in so many directions thumb up

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I have not watched your movies. Would love to watch them nod

aw, thanks for your interest & feedback thinker. 2 of my short films are on youtube but keep in mind that it's very amateur work! as far as filmmaking goes, i'm in that stage of learning where my skills are not matching my vision smiling face if you're still interested you can visit revetheseries.com, episodes 1 and 2 are online. episode 3 is the film i'm currently working on right now.
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Posted 06/06/11 - 2:14 AM:

I have watched revetheseries episodes and I think very highly of them. I think you have improved a lot between episodes and I think I need to watch them many times to clearly understand symbolic messages conveyed! Your sister has also done a nice job and both of you are handsome!Keep up the good work lib!

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Posted 06/07/11 - 11:44 AM:

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I have watched revetheseries episodes and I think very highly of them. I think you have improved a lot between episodes and I think I need to watch them many times to clearly understand symbolic messages conveyed! Your sister has also done a nice job and both of you are handsome!Keep up the good work lib!

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thank you thinker hug

i have just finished editing episode 3, although it will be a little while before i post the finished episode online. first i will be submitting it to film festivals for consideration, and then it will be online after that. the latest preview is on the revetheseries.com homepage though. hopefully there will be a noticeable difference once again in the production quality between episodes!
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Posted 06/09/11 - 5:57 AM:

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thank you thinker hug

i have just finished editing episode 3, although it will be a little while before i post the finished episode online. first i will be submitting it to film festivals for consideration, and then it will be online after that. the latest preview is on the revetheseries.com homepage though. hopefully there will be a noticeable difference once again in the production quality between episodes!


Indeed.smiling face
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Posted 06/15/11 - 1:17 AM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuki-onna

Yuki-onna isan interesting Japanese folk-lore character. I watched 'Kwaidan' , a 1964 movie yesterday. It has a story of Yuki-onna. Interesting one!
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Posted 06/15/11 - 12:58 PM:

very cool, sounds like my kind of story!
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