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libertygrl
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Posted 04/19/11 - 6:06 PM:
Subject: What is the difference
between pain and suffering? Is it necessary to suffer?

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Posted 04/20/11 - 5:00 AM:

libertygrl wrote:
between pain and suffering? Is it necessary to suffer?

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It is a very important question. It is a question which relates to ‘karma’ and liberation’. In a broad sense, ‘pain’ and ‘suffering’ have no difference, as they both are unpleasant! When looking enough closely, you realize that suffering is karmic, whereas pain is not. Suffering is karmic because, it is what we make of some experience (pleasant or unpleasant) by reacting to it. In a way, your own voices haunting you incessantly, your own cursing of your existence, your own feelings of frustration toward your disposition; are all ‘suffering’ and they are all karmic. Pain on the other hand need not be suffering. As the famous saying goes “ Some pain is inevitable but suffering is optional!”
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Posted 04/21/11 - 9:09 AM:

Pain is biological: the flesh reacting to injury or stress.

Suffering is the 'meaning' the human individual brings to, or gives, pain.

Henry sustains an injury or stressor and he suffers (and, with time and effort, he transcends the pain and transforms the suffering).

Henry's aardvark sustains an injury or stressor and it doesn't suffer.

Why?

Only 'I' suffers...no 'I', no suffering.

Henry is 'I'...Henry's aardvark is 'not-I' (just bio-automata).

Is suffering necessary?

Irrelevant, I think, because suffering is inevitable.

Please understand: while not pleasant, suffering is not 'bad'...it -- suffering -- is a function of 'living' for the human individual.
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Posted 04/26/11 - 12:01 AM:

quirk wrote:
Pain is biological: the flesh reacting to injury or stress.

how about emotional pain? would you say it's biological? curious
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Posted 04/26/11 - 9:49 AM:

Since I think everything a body 'is' IS material (the flesh), yeah, emotional pain is 'biological'.

That, to me, makes it (psychological distress) more real than grasping at dualities (mind/body, soul/body, etc.).

When I'm pained (torn flesh or distressed thinking/feeling...the two often inextricably blended together) it's a real event (one time or on-going) sustained by 'me'...and precisely because it is 'me' who is injured, psychological/emotional injury is the most pernicious dis-ease, because it is a malady of 'self' and almost impossible to distance one's self from, unlike a boo-boo on the knee which -- while me -- can be 'objectified'.
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Posted 04/28/11 - 12:21 AM:

quirk wrote:
Suffering is the 'meaning' the human individual brings to, or gives, pain.

hmm, i like that definition. i think i can agree with that.
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