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libertygrl
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Posted 04/12/11 - 1:34 PM:
Subject: Should Burqas be banned?
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Posted 04/12/11 - 4:38 PM:

Banning Burqas. A hot issue around these parts. Well, whenever we can be bother to heat up over anything, of course. ^^

I think there is a similar ban in Belgium as well, after a lengthy debate. Personally, I'm in two minds about this. I'm curious about what the others think.
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Posted 04/12/11 - 10:46 PM:

It's a tough one.

The Burqa serves many Westerners as a visual reminder of gender inequality under the tenets of fundamental Islam (Sharia law).

Banning Burqas is nearly a Catch-22: denying individual liberty to enforce an atmosphere of human dignity.

I don't think this would ever happen in America since we're always shouting the word "liberty".


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Posted 04/13/11 - 1:36 AM:

personally, i can understand why they might be forbidden in a situation which threatens security - for example, maybe they shouldn't be worn going into a bank, or into an airport terminal, etc. other than that, i don't know why they should be banned.

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The Burqa serves many Westerners as a visual reminder of gender inequality under the tenets of fundamental Islam (Sharia law).

i can definitely see how the ideology conflict creates some awkwardness. but i think if westerners want to women to have freedom of choice, they should let women choose to wear burqas if that's what they want. i'm curious what is the official rationale behind banning them? smoki, do you know? is it because of the gender inequality issue?
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Posted 04/13/11 - 1:52 AM:

I'd like to throw in one other aspect that you might not have considered:

In Belgian law, it's illegal to go about the street masked. You always have to be identifiable (sp?). Of course, this rule is hardly ever enforced. Are people in winter, completely duffeled in and unrecognisable, fined or arrested? I think not. It appears that this rule is dug up in this case specifically to target the burqa. Perhaps it's different if you're being only occasionally unrecognisable, out of a need to be hygiƫnic (the famed japanese mouth-masks for example), or as a defense against the cold. I'm not sure if we should somehow consider cultural considerations to be that much less valuable. Thoughts?
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Posted 04/13/11 - 11:49 AM:

some googling reveals that it's actually illegal to wear masks in public in some parts of the US. in virginia, it is supposedly a felony to wear masks in public, while in west virginia it's a misdemeanor. west virginia makes allowances for cold weather, however, whereas virginia apparently does not. also illegal in georgia. the general consensus seems to be that, regardless of the law in your area, if you're wearing a ski mask in the middle of summer, you can expect the police will probably stop you.

i wonder if the anti-mask laws in the southern US are connected at all to the history of the KKK.

in any case, i don't think wearing burqas should be banned, unless it can be demonstrated that people's safety is at stake. what are your thoughts smoki?
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Posted 04/15/11 - 6:15 AM:

In this particular situation, where it appears to be a culturally motivated ban, I am certainly against it. Surely it's making a big fuss out of nothing? Pitting cultures and communities against eachother based on such a detail is something I can't understand. The amount of people actually wearing burqa's is very small anyway.
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Posted 04/15/11 - 9:55 AM:

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Posted 06/26/16 - 8:07 PM:

Personally, burquas aren't that fashionable by my standards, so for anyone else, I can't say... but personally, I don't mind what anyone wears. Everyone is eventually naked under a burqua, trousers, jeans, spandex, bikini, or a dress. Looks good to me.
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Posted 06/27/16 - 11:22 PM:

What a woman wears should be the choice of the woman, a choice made by the woman, and not a law imposed from the outside by a bunch of insecure men afraid of their own impotence.
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Posted 06/29/16 - 8:09 AM:

in areas of security , airports and suchlike the answer is YES ..security personal have a right to know whether it is a woman under that veil or a man and it may be the law in certain countries in the east , but that does not mean it has to be law in the west nod
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Posted 07/01/16 - 8:49 AM:

The best solution: stay the hell out of airports and off planes.

Drive, sail...leave the flyin' to the birds and the wahhabists.

As for fashion: everyday I see folks meandering about dressed in ways supremely unflattering and sometimes downright offensive...can't shoot 'em all, so: leave 'em be...avert thy eyes lest they burn from the sockets.
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Posted 08/09/16 - 7:39 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
As for fashion: everyday I see folks meandering about dressed in ways supremely unflattering and sometimes downright offensive...can't shoot 'em all, so: leave 'em be...avert thy eyes lest they burn from the sockets.

What kind of clothes do you usually wear?
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Posted 08/12/16 - 8:31 AM:

Dry ones, which -- right now -- aren't ('dry', I mean).
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Posted 08/29/16 - 10:02 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
Dry ones, which -- right now -- aren't ('dry', I mean).

LOL! I'm asking: what style(s) do you wear? Like, jeans and tshirts (like, baggy stone washed or tight blue jeans, or tank tops, etc) or are you a suit and tie kind of person? For example, do you wear dresses, or long surfer shorts, sandals or boots, what sort of fashions do you personally wear?
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Posted 09/01/16 - 11:15 PM:

PattieKake wrote:

LOL! I'm asking: what style(s) do you wear? Like, jeans and tshirts (like, baggy stone washed or tight blue jeans, or tank tops, etc) or are you a suit and tie kind of person? For example, do you wear dresses, or long surfer shorts, sandals or boots, what sort of fashions do you personally wear?


I don't think Henry's clothes can be characterized by "style", more like "do they fit, and are they comfortable", except, maybe? when he's working.
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Posted 09/02/16 - 9:03 AM:

I wear clothes befitting a middle-aged man who spends abnormal amounts of time rootin' through old paper archives in poorly lit, poorly ventilated, warehouses, and, who -- when not workin' -- is tryin' to keep up with a frenetic ten year old.

I dress for ease of movement.
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Posted 09/04/16 - 11:37 PM:

thedoc wrote:


I don't think Henry's clothes can be characterized by "style", more like "do they fit, and are they comfortable", except, maybe? when he's working.

You guys remind me of the wrestling team called D-Generation X. Not really what they stand for, and nothing to do with their name, but when you see the videos of these two buddies rolling out, that's what I think about.



Also, when I picture you two and the clothing you describe, I also think of Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street. I don't know why I think of these references and their relevance to you two guys, it just makes sense.
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Posted 09/05/16 - 8:29 AM:

@ PATTIE .......I SENT A MESSAGE TWICE IN ANSWER TO YOUR PM PATTIE BUT I DONT KNOW IF THEY WENT THROUGH ,CAN YOU CONFIRM ?
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Posted 09/05/16 - 12:08 PM:

We're wrestlin' muppets, Doc, me and you...what ya think about that?
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Posted 09/05/16 - 2:03 PM:

SUNLIGHT wrote:
@ PATTIE .......I SENT A MESSAGE TWICE IN ANSWER TO YOUR PM PATTIE BUT I DONT KNOW IF THEY WENT THROUGH ,CAN YOU CONFIRM ?

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.........SUNLIGHT ..................... CONFIRM PM ANSWER RECEIVED .
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Posted 09/05/16 - 2:08 PM:

Bert and Ernie, from television's Sesame Street. I don't know of any specific skits, but this image is exactly what I picture to the descriptions for henry quirk's clothing style.

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Posted 09/06/16 - 1:26 PM:

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