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libertygrl
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Posted 03/28/11 - 2:00 PM:
Subject: Papal immunity
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011...rish-bishops_n_810535.html

Does the Catholic Church bear some responsibility for this massive wave of sexual assault against children?

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Posted 03/28/11 - 4:51 PM:

Nope,
They don't;because they are spreading it.
How many cases are here and there?
Any count....No
Why....?
Because"Might is Right"

Edited by BRAVO on 03/28/11 - 4:59 PM
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Posted 03/29/11 - 10:14 AM:

There's a whole chain of responsibility.

First: the priest who abuses a child...he bears the brunt of the blame.

Second: each one in the Church hierarchy (priests, bishops, cardinals, the Pope) who by inaction or action knowingly allow a priest to abuse.

Third: civil authority (district attorneys, police officers, etc.) who by action or inaction knowingly allow a priest to abuse.

Fourth: members of congregations who by inaction or action knowingly allow a priest to abuse.

Seems clean and clear-cut to me... whatever

The only ambiguity is 'who' knows 'what' and 'when' did he or she know it.

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As for the whole 'might is right' thing: just because Joe has the bigger stick, gun, etc. (more 'might') I am in no way obligated to toe his line...what I AM obligated to do is to be more clever in the use of my own inferior 'might' to navigate Joe (or kill him).

Until I can navigate (or kill) Joe: I may have to pretend observance of Joe's 'law'.

*It's a mistake, however, to assume the facade of submission is synonymous with actual submission.

**So: as axiom, 'I ACT' trumps 'might makes/is right'.




*The lesson, then: just 'cause one appears loyal doesn't mean the bastard won't stab you square in the back given the proper circumstance.

**More accurately: 'I ACT' is 'might makes right' without all the baggage of defining 'might' and 'right'.

The priest says 'I ACT' as he ass-fucks an altar boy...the father (or uncle!) of the altar boy says 'I ACT' as he puts a bullet in the head of the priest.

Again: pretty goddamned clean and clear-cut to me.
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Posted 03/29/11 - 12:33 PM:

I think its clear that the 'official' catholic church is beyond corrupt. I hear catholics speak about how the devil planned to infiltrate their church to destroy it from the inside. If so, he's done a fine job. Mind you, I think the whole organisation was corrupt from the beginning anyway, so there you go.

Put this issue in another perspective.

Suppose the National Federation of School teachers had conspired, sending notice to all principles of elementary schools to keep a lid on any child abuse they encounter and not to go to the police.

Anyone think the public would stand for that?

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libertygrl
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Posted 03/29/11 - 1:09 PM:

it amazes me that the pope continues to have any clout at all.

quirk wrote:
There's a whole chain of responsibility.

First: the priest who abuses a child...he bears the brunt of the blame.

i would suggest the chain of responsibility begins even further back, with the repression and subversion of sexuality through the priesthood and ritualistic dogma.

for consideration - a wave of sexual assault by priests against nuns also coming to light:

"The AIDS pandemic in Africa and India is said to have made nuns "safer" sex partners and, also for that reason, targets of priests seeking sex. (Some nuns also reported sexual abuse by mothers superior.) The women, culturally brainwashed not to challenge men or female figures of authority, felt they had no choice, and the priests took further advantage by arguing that Catholic rules for priests required them to have sex "only with virgins."

www.salon.com/news/feature/...holic_priest_abuse_scandal
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Posted 03/30/11 - 8:49 AM:

Religious fundamentalism (of which the catholic church is an example) is messed up to begin with. Add to that a 2000-year old mix of world-scale intrigue, sexual frustration, and unchecked power over believers. Well... It appears from the recent scandals that the catholic church differs from the average sect only in scale, financial prowess and the means to escape from public justice.
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Posted 04/14/11 - 2:49 AM:

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