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Posted 03/14/11 - 9:52 AM:

The difference seems to be: when I assert myself, I make no demands of any one (except to get the hell out of my face and my wallet); when someone who shares your sentiments asserts him- or her-self that person seems more than wiling to force me into cage because I won't submit or comply or 'see' the 'rightness' of his or her position.


There are people with strong 'I' sentiments that might force you in a cage, henry, because they assume that might equals right. People that have a very strong 'we' sentiment might do the same because you think differently.

Obviously both of them are wrong. My view on the matter is that if anyone is ever caged, it must be that there is really no alternative to resolve a very serious threat. Freedom of speech, movement and enterprise are immensely important. Alas, freedom can't be absolute. That remains a paradox.



By asserting 'I': I ask nothing but to be left alone.

By (your) asserting 'we': 'I' automatically become suspect.

Am I wrong?


Um. Sorry am I - the english not is so very always good see you?

'suspect' ?




PS. You know the rule: Double posters pay a round of beer !
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Posted 03/14/11 - 1:41 PM:

"You know the rule: Double posters pay a round of beer!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Typical: being held to a rule I had no hand in crafting, did not agree to, and have no intention of obeying... wink .
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Posted 03/14/11 - 3:45 PM:

I receive my health care from the government (VA - Vietnam era veteran). My wife who works in a law firm and receives top notch private sector health insurance as a benefit (we pay $20.00 per week) and her health care can't touch mine.

I've researched and found I'd pay a minimum of around $600.00 per month when all is said and done annually to received anything close to what I now have barring any serious illness or fatality.

Am I a leech?
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Posted 03/14/11 - 3:55 PM:

i don't think you're a leech. after you've put your life on the line for the U.S. government, i'd say they owe you a fair amount.
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Posted 05/06/11 - 11:28 AM:

by the way, henry, i know you've said before that you would rather die than receive some kind of health support from the government, but i was curious to know, what about for your nephew? what if he required an expensive surgery and treatment to save him from a life-threatening illness? wouldn't government subsidized healthcare be worthwhile in that case?
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Posted 05/06/11 - 12:12 PM:

"what about for your nephew?"

Well, being amoral, without ethics (or philosophy), and wholly selfish: if need be (to safeguard him) I'd slit the throats of any one I had to, so, taking advantage of a system I oppose: small potatoes.

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"Am I a leech?"

Irrelevant what I think: what do you, Cripes, think...are you a leech?
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Posted 05/06/11 - 12:14 PM:

henry quirk wrote:
"what about for your nephew?"

Well, being amoral, without ethics (or philosophy), and wholly selfish: if need be (to safeguard him) I'd slit the throats of any one I had to, so, taking advantage of a system I oppose: small potatoes.

do you think he'd want that? or do you care? curious.
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Posted 05/06/11 - 12:33 PM:

"do you think he'd want that?"

For me to butcher other folks so as to safeguard him?

At 'going on five' the question is above his pay grade... wink ...but, the man he'll grow into I hope would understand his uncle always did what his uncle believed 'necessary'.

That understanding, of course, might not blunt his distaste...my consolation in such a circumstance: he's alive to disapprove of me.

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"do you care?"

Yes: but in weighing the importance of things (his future disappointment in me versus his being alive to 'be' disappointed)...*shrug*...I gotta go with slaughter.
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Posted 05/06/11 - 12:52 PM:

so, even if there's a government subsidized program which would provide the surgery for free, you'd rather see him turn it down in favor of taking innocent lives? seems like a troublesome way of going about things for a man without a philosophy. i would think having no philosophy or ethic would grant you the path of least resistance.
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Posted 05/06/11 - 1:25 PM:

I use the whole 'butcher folks' notion to illustrate I'll do anything to safeguard the boy, NOT, that my butchering folks can somehow stand in for medical care.

That is: even though I think gov-sponsored medical care is dumb, I'd take advantage of it to safeguard the boy, and, because I'm amoral and ethic-less, I wouldn't suffer the slightest 'moral crisis' for doing so.

In other words: even though I think enforced compassion is theft: sure as shit, I’ll steal your money to mend my nephew.

*shrug*

Yes, some one will point out that I make a big to-do up-thread about folks not stealing from me and here I am saying I'll steal from them...*shrug*...yeah? So what?

I do what I choose...it’s irrelevant (to me) whether what I do in one circumstance seems consistent (to you) with what I do in another.

There is a consistency, of course, that being 'me' always acting in my best interests, even if actions I perform (what I 'do') to preserve me and mine appear inconsistent or at odds with other actions

That is: look to the 'doer' and not 'what's done' for the consistency.


Edited by henry quirk on 05/06/11 - 1:36 PM. Reason: expansion
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Posted 05/06/11 - 2:01 PM:

thanks for sharing your thoughts henry.

i've heard it argued that baseline provisions should be subsidized for everyone, meaning free healthcare as well as free food provisions. in other words, no one should have to starve. yes, there would obviously be some people taking advantage of the system, but on the other hand, i think we might see a reduction in violent crime, the kind that is often found among the disenfranchised, those at the end of their ropes, desperate to survive. henry, i can already anticipate your thoughts on government subsidy of any kind, you've already expressed that you think it's dumb. what about the rest of you, any thoughts?
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Posted 05/06/11 - 4:49 PM:

"you think it's dumb"

Yeah, I do... whatever

I think I do a decent job of explicating 'why' in #35 of this thread.
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