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smokinpristiformis
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Posted 02/15/11 - 7:22 AM:
Subject: Can you still dream?
A popular song from a superb Belgian band (Gorki) always makes me think. It's called Mia. At some point it goes like this:

Mia has not seen hard times.
She asks
Can you still dream?


It's a pretty profound line if you think about it. You see, as far as I've been through hard times, which is not much to speak of compared to most other people, and seen hard times with other people, dreaming is imperative. You have to dream to stay upright. Coming down hard, the only thing that keeps you going is the hope of moving up again. The poor and the devastated seem to develop the most ambitions and hopes.

As for the other extreme: Lack of dreams, hope, vision, for me, equals nihilism. An I've seen it only when surrounded by decadence. Nihilism is a luxury for the rich. Only the rich can look at the world, pick up their 500 $ cigarette lighter, and say that it's all worth nothing.

It seems that having less makes you realise worth. Does having more take away dreams?
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Posted 12/02/11 - 9:22 AM:

I don't think anything can really take away dreams. And that's because dreaming has nothing to do with society, being rich or poor, tall or short. Dreaming is part of the human nature. As humans we have this special 'skill' that is called dreaming. Some dream of a bigger house, some of a nice meal the next day or a comfy bed, it's still dreaming. We might value different things and therefore dream of different things, but at the end of the day, we're still dreaming!

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Posted 04/14/12 - 9:19 PM:

smokinpristiformis wrote:
A popular song from a superb Belgian band (Gorki) always makes me think. It's called Mia. At some point it goes like this:

Mia has not seen hard times.
She asks
Can you still dream?


It's a pretty profound line if you think about it. You see, as far as I've been through hard times, which is not much to speak of compared to most other people, and seen hard times with other people, dreaming is imperative. You have to dream to stay upright. Coming down hard, the only thing that keeps you going is the hope of moving up again. The poor and the devastated seem to develop the most ambitions and hopes.

As for the other extreme: Lack of dreams, hope, vision, for me, equals nihilism. An I've seen it only when surrounded by decadence. Nihilism is a luxury for the rich. Only the rich can look at the world, pick up their 500 $ cigarette lighter, and say that it's all worth nothing.

It seems that having less makes you realise worth. Does having more take away dreams?



Perhaps having more takes away the motivation to act on those dreams. You act to preserve, not to achieve more.
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Posted 04/17/12 - 4:31 PM:

There are some very interesting observations in this thread. Certainly the poor value what little they have more than the rich. But in my experience, the poor are also more lightly attached to their possessions - go visit a tiny village in Mexico or Belize and the people there will put everything they own at your disposal because you are their guest. Maybe they only have a chicken or two, and they will give it up to feed you. I am sure this is the same in many parts of the world.

Contrast this with the wealthy, who perhaps don't value things the same way as the poor, but on the other hand they can never seem to have enough. There's always a bigger flat screen TV or a new iPod or a new Rolls Royce for the collection. And this appears to be what they live for and (sadly) dream about.

I can definitely see how having a dream can carry you through difficult experiences. But in my own, limited experience of hard times, after having your hopes dashed again and again, there's nothing more liberating than giving up hope, letting go of 'dreams', and just taking things a day at a time. There's a very vivid scene in Park Chan-wook's film Oldboy, where a gangster who is about to torture his enemy says, "You see, they say that people shrivel up because they have an imagination. So, don't imagine anything, you'll become brave as hell." Dreams can also become nightmares, and at times the best thing for us is to simply focus on what is front of us, and it's this single-minded focus that will enable us to get through anything.
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Posted 04/18/12 - 1:53 AM:

Samvega wrote:
There are some very interesting observations in this thread. Certainly the poor value what little they have more than the rich. But in my experience, the poor are also more lightly attached to their possessions - go visit a tiny village in Mexico or Belize and the people there will put everything they own at your disposal because you are their guest. Maybe they only have a chicken or two, and they will give it up to feed you. I am sure this is the same in many parts of the world.

Contrast this with the wealthy, who perhaps don't value things the same way as the poor, but on the other hand they can never seem to have enough. There's always a bigger flat screen TV or a new iPod or a new Rolls Royce for the collection. And this appears to be what they live for and (sadly) dream about.

I can definitely see how having a dream can carry you through difficult experiences. But in my own, limited experience of hard times, after having your hopes dashed again and again, there's nothing more liberating than giving up hope, letting go of 'dreams', and just taking things a day at a time. There's a very vivid scene in Park Chan-wook's film Oldboy, where a gangster who is about to torture his enemy says, "You see, they say that people shrivel up because they have an imagination. So, don't imagine anything, you'll become brave as hell." Dreams can also become nightmares, and at times the best thing for us is to simply focus on what is front of us, and it's this single-minded focus that will enable us to get through anything.


Very pertinent and that poor people things I have observed myself in the villages of India. I have also seen Oldboy and remember about the dialogue.
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Posted 10/12/13 - 3:34 AM:

Yes, I was still dream. I dream that one day it would be better.
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