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Thinker13
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Posted 08/12/10 - 4:02 AM:
Subject: Obscurantist Pretense
What is it and how does it affect the communication?
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Posted 08/12/10 - 4:28 AM:

Surely, it is only something that axiological agents can put on.

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Posted 08/12/10 - 4:30 AM:

What is better--a string of meaningless noises whose intent is clear or a string of meaningful noises whose intent is obscure? In both cases there is no meaning to be had, or rather, the meaning is not the meaningful aspect of the utterance.

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Posted 08/12/10 - 4:47 AM:

Monk2400 wrote:
Surely, it is only something that axiological agents can put on.

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Then, why some other axiological agents have such a strong, vehement and at times passionate resistance for the same?kooky
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Posted 08/12/10 - 4:55 AM:

Monk2400 wrote:
What is better--a string of meaningless noises whose intent is clear or a string of meaningful noises whose intent is obscure?


Since you have already answered the question, and all questions have their answers, this exercise of mine is, nothing but reinforcement of my own perceptiveness. None of them is better as 'meaning' need not be the 'goal' to be achieved.

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In both cases there is no meaning to be had, or rather, the meaning is not the meaningful aspect of the utterance.



Indeed. If the 'utterance' is considered to be music, of a frequency which may heal you, like Solfeggios, or anahata naadas(unstruck sounds); then, it is irrelevant whether it has any meaning in it, is accompanied with lyrics or not.
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Posted 08/12/10 - 5:05 AM:

On the other hand, philosophers love jargon. We loves us some jargon! And defining new terms or redefining common terms to suit our temporary idiosyncratic purposes.

Or perhaps some folks are very Socratic, and by means of obfusication challenge thinkers to discover a truth for themselves through the deliberate presentation of obstacles to encourage cognitive dissonance.

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Posted 08/12/10 - 5:12 AM:

Monk2400 wrote:
On the other hand, philosophers love jargon. We loves us some jargon! And defining new terms or redefining common terms to suit our temporary idiosyncratic purposes.


Indeed, whether I myself do so(or am capable of doing so) is not very clear to me, though, to always abide by the dictionary definitions does not seem to have been my practice--which might well be a support or a hinderance in communication.

Or perhaps some folks are very Socratic, and by means of obfusication challenge thinkers to discover a truth for themselves through the deliberate presentation of obstacles to encourage cognitive dissonance.




Perfectly so.(This does not mean, in any way that I consider myself to be Socratic enough to dispell darkness.)
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