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Posted 06/13/10 - 6:58 PM:
Subject: What are your disorders?
Do you have a learning disorder? Perhaps its an eating disorder? What about an attention disorder? How about a comprehension disorder?

Disorder this and disorder that. WTF are we doing?! (Sounds like a George Carlin routine)

I propose that psychology is no different than religion. Heres what I mean.

Religion props up a perfect being, God, then goes on to explain to us how we fall short of that example. Psychology does the same thing, but doesn't give it's perfect example a name, rather just tells us we have disorders. Both are myths!

The question for the psychologist is: Compared to whom? When the psychologist or psychiatrist diagnoses a person with a disorder, are they comparing the patient to themselves, or is it that the person has not been programed correctly by it's authority figures, and is therefore disordered?
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Posted 06/14/10 - 3:33 AM:

cripes wrote:
Do you have a learning disorder? Perhaps its an eating disorder? What about an attention disorder? How about a comprehension disorder?


A good post Cripes.smiling face. Though I have never been diagnosed clinically, still, it seems that I am lopsidedly visually-spatial. It means I have some difficulty with auditory sequential instructions.






The question for the psychologist is: Compared to whom? When the psychologist or psychiatrist diagnoses a person with a disorder, are they comparing the patient to themselves, or is it that the person has not been programed correctly by it's authority figures, and is therefore disordered?


'Compared to whom' is a really good question to be asked. It seems that they compare you against the 'general population'. This 'general population'(GP) is not a static term. For different times it is different. Again if you ask me, what I mean by 'time' I will be unable to tell you. On the whole there are no static measures. I recall a Carl Jung quote saying " Bring me a sane man and I will cure him for you". It is really dramatic that there is no sane human being and the chances that the Psychologist is sane are more rare than usual. It is really a good question to ask about the standards used by the Psychology.


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Posted 06/14/10 - 8:08 PM:

Well, any disorders I could accuse myself of having would stem from a comparison of people I see who have qualities I want.

I'd love to have more confidence and self assertion.

Of course, those same people are probably not without their own disorders (qualities I'd definitely not want).

The cliche is the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence (but it comes with cattle and cow pies).

This is my main disorder I guess: envy without ambition. Over or under estimating the value of the other.


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Posted 06/15/10 - 7:24 AM:

Nihil Loc wrote:

The cliche is the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence (but it comes with cattle and cow pies).



Agreed.smiling face
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Posted 06/15/10 - 11:30 AM:

A disorder is something that prevents a person from leading the life they want. It has nothing to do with being "programed correctly by it's authority figures" though I suppose a delusionally insane person might see it that way while in their irrational state.

Generally, if it doesn't bother you it's not a disorder even if it would be if it did bother you -- that's part of the diagnostic criteria.

Some disorders are subtle and some glaring. They're labels for difficulties people experience. Labels are very useful things that make it easier to help people. Throwing away the label doesn't help someone with OCD escape their life-impairing rituals, nor put a smile on the depressed person's face... it just allows you to more comfortably ignore their suffering.
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Posted 06/15/10 - 4:46 PM:

Paul wrote:
A disorder is something that prevents a person from leading the life they want. It has nothing to do with being "programed correctly by it's authority figures" though I suppose a delusionally insane person might see it that way while in their irrational state.

Generally, if it doesn't bother you it's not a disorder even if it would be if it did bother you -- that's part of the diagnostic criteria.

Some disorders are subtle and some glaring. They're labels for difficulties people experience. Labels are very useful things that make it easier to help people. Throwing away the label doesn't help someone with OCD escape their life-impairing rituals, nor put a smile on the depressed person's face... it just allows you to more comfortably ignore their suffering.
I'm okay with OC, but not OCD. The label which describes the behavior is still there but without the incriminating ending.

Do you agree then that a young person who does not follow rules and learning of the school environment does not suffer from ADD or ADHD regardless of how anyone else would diagnose him or her?
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Posted 06/15/10 - 6:33 PM:

My wife who's a middle college english teacher had a student, or rather the father of a student, claim a learning disorder two weeks before High School graduation this year. He's a bright kid, actually works part time for the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, but was negligent in his english assignments. He was graduating with GPA too low for his college pick. The father apparently hatched a plan that would allow his son special treatment and a chance to get his grades up. He somehow managed to talk a school counselor into supporting his scheme, but it didn't fly in the end. And the school followed protocol so there's no chance of a law suite.

Probably could have pulled it off had he started it sooner, but if he had that much foresight why not just encourage the kid to do the work.

Incidentally, I was reading a book on economics before that talked about how drug companies were disgustingly successful in creating incentives to diagnose disorders that could be treated with, yup, you guessed it, drugs.

Not that these disorders are all contrived or that drugs can't be an effective part of treatment.
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Posted 06/16/10 - 11:16 PM:

cripes wrote:
Disorder this and disorder that. WTF are we doing?! (Sounds like a George Carlin routine)

I propose that psychology is no different than religion.

i propose that we call them "conditions" rather than "disorders".
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Posted 06/18/10 - 1:34 PM:

*Breaking hiatus for a minor chime-in...*


A long time back: I was informally diagnosed (by a psychologist acquaintance) as being ‘hyper-vigilant'.

For myself: I call it good, old-fashioned, paranoia (which has saved my neck more than once).

Now; 'hyper-vigilance' is a 'disorder' but it's a disorder I make work for me.

Certainly: there are conditions and disorders that overtly hobble, but, not all do and, in those cases (representing, perhaps, the majority of disorders and conditions), the issue is much less about disability (real or imagined) and much more about finding a practical use for the psycho-'liability' or 'difference'.


*...returning to the shadows.*
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Posted 06/20/10 - 3:07 AM:

the problem with labeling conditions as "disorders" is that it casts a stigma such that people have a hard time seeing how it can benefit them. it's indicative of an elitist mindset that plagues western medicine. it can be an obstacle to healing.
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Posted 06/20/10 - 5:58 AM:

But it does aid in the selection process, doesn't it. And thats probably why we do this labeling. Can you see that?

The problem, semantically speaking, as I see it, is, whether its labeled 'disorder' or the less accusatory 'condition' (which I agree is the slightly better of the two), is the group (society) is being led to believe these differences in us are undesirable by the so called 'experts', who as I said earlier, are nothing more than shamans with psychology degrees. Disorder means sin! Switching it from 'disorder' to 'condition' is like a Unitarian Universalist saying 'tolerant' instead of 'judgmental'.

Edited by cripes on 06/20/10 - 7:20 AM
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Posted 06/20/10 - 11:39 AM:

there's nothing wrong with labeling. i'm all in favor of clear communication. differentiating one thing as different from another is a natural part of exploration, from my perspective.

i have respect for shamans and the role that they play in their communities. but it's true, people can turn anywhere for guidance, and what one person considers an expert in certain matters is always going to come under fire by some if not most, especially by others who consider themselves experts in the same domain. in any case, i agree that having a degree doesn't prove one an expert in anything.

cripes wrote:
Switching it from 'disorder' to 'condition' is like a Unitarian Universalist saying 'tolerant' instead of 'judgmental'.

hm, not sure i see the analogy. "tolerant" and "judgemental" can be construed as opposites, not sure how the same can be true of "disorder" and condition". my mother is schizophrenic, and i am being sincere when i use the word "condition" rather than "disorder". it doesn't evoke the same sense of pity that i see in people when others talk about their "diseased" relatives. i don't think this has to do with the word choice exclusively, part of it is the fact that they're taking their cue from me. if i acted like she should be pitied, people would of course respond differently than if i show that i respect that she has a different way of experiencing the world than others.

as you say, the problem is about the way people are "led" to believe that one thing is better or worse than another. the only way to counter that is to encourage others to stop seeing it that way. it seems small & rudimentary, but you have to start somewhere. conformity should never be our goal as a society, but rather happiness of the individual to the greatest extent possible.
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Posted 06/23/10 - 7:14 AM:

The system is far from perfect. I myself have been diagnosed with Bipolar Depression. I may very well have been misdiagnosed. I was only eight when they diagnosed me. (and I was scared witless of the doctor and had no idea what I was saying) However that appointment and three or four more down the road were enough for them to place the label (and medication) upon me.

Now, years later, my current doctor told me whether I was misdiagnosed or not would take years of her meeting with me to find out. Years to possibly correct the work of a month or so. Wow...

I don't often post comments on this forum. Mostly I just read the comments. But this was a bit personal. (If you couldn't tell >.<)

Are there disorders out there? Physical, Mental, Behavioral, Social, and the like? I would have to say probably so. I'd also have to comment that probably everyone has a disorder of some sort to some extent. And that only the extreme cases are labeled.

My problem is where is the line between 'so-called normal' and 'extreme'. It's a problem that will problem continue as long as an intelligent being exists in this universe.

-Just my thoughts
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Posted 06/23/10 - 8:15 AM:

KinNaoko90 wrote:
The system is far from perfect. I myself have been diagnosed with Bipolar Depression. I may very well have been misdiagnosed. I was only eight when they diagnosed me. (and I was scared witless of the doctor and had no idea what I was saying) However that appointment and three or four more down the road were enough for them to place the label (and medication) upon me.

Now, years later, my current doctor told me whether I was misdiagnosed or not would take years of her meeting with me to find out. Years to possibly correct the work of a month or so. Wow...

I don't often post comments on this forum. Mostly I just read the comments. But this was a bit personal. (If you couldn't tell >.<)

Are there disorders out there? Physical, Mental, Behavioral, Social, and the like? I would have to say probably so. I'd also have to comment that probably everyone has a disorder of some sort to some extent. And that only the extreme cases are labeled.

My problem is where is the line between 'so-called normal' and 'extreme'. It's a problem that will problem continue as long as an intelligent being exists in this universe.

-Just my thoughts
Thanks for that post. I often wonder how we can call ourselves intelligent when we are constantly using divisive language and techniques that are more destructive than anything else.

The fact is that every emotion you and I experience has had importance to the survival of all animal species'. There are obviously different degrees of those emotions for whatever reason, but I'd bet there was/is good cause for it.
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Posted 06/28/10 - 1:49 AM:

The real question should be not what disorders are, but where do they come from?

Simple, disorders just like anything we gather during life comes from the environment we inhabit. More deeply though, its human behavior that dictates any disorder we have. Its not natural to lets say have "anorexia", for that goes against our survival instinct. Which is caused by societies backward utopia mess.

Now with something more serious, such as a medical disorder like autism. Well, that again is not a product of human nature but of pre-emptive choices made before our ability to make judgement. This disorder most of the time comes from ignorance of not understanding the root cause by vaccines to create this disorder.

Those are two examples, but instead of having people make a diagnosis of what the disorder could be and then prescribe medication that only makes the disorder dormant, does not solve much either. Only, if us as a species begin to change our behavior will these disorders become irrelevant. Most answers to questions are common sense. *peace*
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