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Posted 06/06/10 - 11:34 PM:
Subject: Climbing a tree
I was watching a baseball game earlier today and the announcer said one of the pitchers lost his father 5 weeks ago.

A thought occurred to me at that point as I watched this young man compete. The thought was that as the monkey (or any animal or mammal) must do, you got to get back to climbing that tree, or performing, or working, or talking on forums, or whatever it is you do. Because its instinctive to continue.

Its not really much of a revelation as I reread it, but I thought I'd share it anyway.



Edited by cripes on 06/06/10 - 11:39 PM
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Posted 06/07/10 - 3:12 AM:

crying

It is instinctive to continue in a universe that will wind down into a light less void of nearly absolute subzero temperatures.

At least the consolation then could be that we're all dead together (all the same thing, nothing).
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Posted 06/07/10 - 3:13 AM:

Life goes on... hmm

Perhaps, that in itself may be a consolation.
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Posted 06/07/10 - 3:21 AM:

In a way it is impossible to discontinue. Most subtle form of Karma is always active in the form of thought (a type of thought is more subtle than thought itself or you may say that there are some sub-processes behind thought process). Except in a state called Samadhi(loosely translated as trance) thought never comes to a halt. So even when you may seem in-active , at the surface, due to some trauma, there is always some movement underneath.


Thank you.
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Posted 06/08/10 - 9:13 AM:

on a not entirely unrelated note, i feel that there is too much societal pressure in the u.s. to return to the workforce after a death in the family. standard grief allowance in the work place is 3 days.

on the other hand, there is something also therapeutic in feeling and validating one's sense of purpose in the face of traumatic loss.
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Posted 06/08/10 - 12:15 PM:

libertygrl wrote:
on a not entirely unrelated note, i feel that there is too much societal pressure in the u.s. to return to the workforce after a death in the family. standard grief allowance in the work place is 3 days.

on the other hand, there is something also therapeutic in feeling and validating one's sense of purpose in the face of traumatic loss.
I agree with you in regards to the time allowance for grief, it should be taken off the clock.

But of grief itself, where do you think it occurs? I think you've already addressed the why. Validating ones sense of purpose certainly does provide one with a reason to go on, doesn't it.
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Posted 06/08/10 - 12:23 PM:

Nihil Loc wrote:
crying

It is instinctive to continue in a universe that will wind down into a light less void of nearly absolute subzero temperatures.

At least the consolation then could be that we're all dead together (all the same thing, nothing).
Ouch! I get depressed sometimes. Did you know that depression is an adaptation, and exists to aid in survival?

www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/...sion-t.html?pagewanted=all
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Posted 06/08/10 - 12:41 PM:

smokinpristiformis wrote:
Life goes on... hmm

Perhaps, that in itself may be a consolation.
Isn't it interesting that we've become negotiators of reason to provide positive thought to overcome threat to life.

Perhaps grieving loss is a response to the fact that it is an inevitable event for all of us. I wonder if that can be overcome naturally. Is death as vital to evolution as life? Someone recently said to me that natural selection is entirely dependent on the unfit dying before they can reproduce.
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Posted 06/09/10 - 2:00 AM:

cripes wrote:
I wonder if that can be overcome naturally. Is death as vital to evolution as life? Someone recently said to me that natural selection is entirely dependent on the unfit dying before they can reproduce.



I can't deny that it is so. Death holds the promise of renewal. Life has known its greatest successes in the wakes of mass extinction.
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Posted 06/09/10 - 6:11 AM:

smokinpristiformis wrote:



I can't deny that it is so. Death holds the promise of renewal. Life has known its greatest successes in the wakes of mass extinction.
Its the "entirely dependent on" part that I dispute. I think natural selection is more dependent on life's success, especially in the area of diversity.
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Posted 06/09/10 - 9:39 AM:

cripes wrote:
Its the "entirely dependent on" part that I dispute. I think natural selection is more dependent on life's success, especially in the area of diversity.



Apart from being inevitable, death is a mechanism that are absolutely needed for natural selection. For certain, it is not the only given that constitutes a 'sine qua non' for natural selection. smiling face
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