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More Injustice in Afganistan: When will this end?



More Injustice in Afganistan: When will this end?
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Posted Dec 30 2009 - 03:19 PM:
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This is what foreign troops are busy doing in Afganistan. It sickens me that my own government is also committed to having troops participate in this evil conflict.

And yet, Obama is committing more American stormtroopers to Afganistan, to lead the slaughter of more Afgani children.

It's disgustingly ironic that the USA baited Russia into a drawn-out war with Afganistan, armed and trained resistance militants, and now, years after Russia passed through its 'very own Vietnam', is back in the same country trying to (supposedly) root out the same people they purposefully brought to power in the first place.

Who is trying to break the American spirit with these pointless conflicts in the middle east?

They want Iran to topple next, as is clearly evident.

What can the average person do against this tryanny? Protest is impotent. All we can do is spread the news, highlight the injustice, and illuminate the truth, and pray--pray that enough people hear it and finally say 'STOP' and refuse to collaborate with the evil persons who are leading us to the chasm of utter destruction.

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http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=114976§ionid=351020403

The Afghan government says foreign troops have dragged 10 civilians from their homes and shot them dead in the open over the weekend.

A Wednesday statement issued by the office of President Hamid Karzai said that international forces carried out the attack in the eastern province of Kunar on Saturday. Eight of the victims were schoolchildren.

Military offensives in Kunar, which borders Pakistan, are being led by US Special Forces.

The killings sparked a public outcry resulting in massive demonstrations.

In the eastern province of Nangarhar, hundreds of university students staged a protest, chanting "death to Obama" and "death to foreign forces." The demonstrators also torched a US flag and an effigy of US President Barack Obama.

Similar rallies took place in the capital, Kabul. The protesters called on the Afghan government to put an end to unilateral operations by western troops.

Figures released by the United Nations indicate a 10 percent rise in the civilian death toll from the US-led war in Afghanistan with a good share of fatalities caused by foreign forces.




CNN:


http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/afghanistan.deaths/index.html#cnnSTCText

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan said Monday they are investigating reports that 10 Afghan civilians, including eight students, were killed Saturday in a coalition operation in the Narang district of Kunar province.


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Posted Dec 30 2009 - 04:09 PM:
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I'm totally with you on this one, Monk. I'm embarrassed by the actions of my country.
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Posted Dec 31 2009 - 09:13 AM:
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I'm totally with you on this one, Monk. I'm embarrassed by the actions of my country.


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There are so many people out there that share this view. We read the articles, even by the mainstream media, we hear soldier's accounts, we see the video. And yet this sort of tragic situation continues--despite many, many calls by high-level advisors and people in-the-know that troops and warfare of this kind cannot heal Afganistan.

Who is leading our leadership??

What can we do about it?

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Posted Dec 31 2009 - 11:02 AM:
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I like to think we're breeding our way out in the long run. In the mean time I can only hope young men and women refuse to serve.

What I do as an individual is talk about it, plus I've raised 5 people who do nothing blindly and question authority as a rule (and check with me before actinglaughing ).
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Posted Jan 01 2010 - 05:42 AM:
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I like to think we're breeding our way out in the long run. In the mean time I can only hope young men and women refuse to serve.

What I do as an individual is talk about it, plus I've raised 5 people who do nothing blindly and question authority as a rule (and check with me before actinglaughing ).




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Posted Jan 01 2010 - 10:21 PM:
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Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 28. The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.

Don't you just hate legalese?
In layman's terms: using human shields - bad.

If you want to question the motives or wisdom of international forces being in Afghanistan in the first place, by all means have at it. But to accuse them of wrong doing when it is the taliban that is using human shields... your criticism is misdirected. The pointy end of the spear is meant to cut.
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Posted Jan 02 2010 - 01:00 AM:
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Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 28. The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.

Don't you just hate legalese?
In layman's terms: using human shields - bad.

If you want to question the motives or wisdom of international forces being in Afghanistan in the first place, by all means have at it. But to accuse them of wrong doing when it is the taliban that is using human shields... your criticism is misdirected. The pointy end of the spear is meant to cut.
I wasn't aware they were separate issues. Simply because the U.S. has the ability to war like a video game, doesen't excuse the fact that its murder of innocent people.

Incidentally, when a nation spends as much as the U.S. spends on it's military rather than spend that money on basic and necessary human needs such as health care and proper education for its people, those people are essentially human shields too.
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Posted Jan 02 2010 - 01:04 AM:
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I wasn't aware they were separate issues.


Of course they are separate issues. The wealthy decide who they want to attack and the poor are sent to fight. You shouldn't fault a soldier for fighting to save their life even if you disagree with the reasons the wealthy men sent them over there to fight for.
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Posted Jan 02 2010 - 01:08 AM:
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Of course they are separate issues. The wealthy decide who they want to attack and the poor are sent to fight. You shouldn't fault a soldier for fighting to save their life even if you disagree with the reasons the wealthy men sent them over there to fight for.
I'll agree if the said soldier had not volunteered after the start of the war. Individuals must take some responsibility.
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Posted Jan 02 2010 - 01:12 AM:
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Who should an individual be responsible to first if not themselves?
As you have noted, many are being used essentially as human shields by the limiting of their opportunities. The army, if you survive it, can be a step up.
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Posted Jan 02 2010 - 01:26 AM:
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People can reason that its better to be without rather than be a hired killer. Poor choices makes a good argument not. Integrity often requires sacrifice of the self.
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Posted Jan 02 2010 - 01:36 AM:
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Poor choices makes a good argument not.

Sounds like Yoda laughing
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People can reason that its better to be without rather than be a hired killer.


It is a well known, little known fact that most soldiers don't shoot to kill on the battle field. I wouldn't be surprised if most soldiers thought they could come out of the war without having any notches in their belt. That is of course why wars are moving to the video-game-like shoot from a distance and watch on a monitor. The attack at the centre of this report was a retaliation against a rocket (or mortar) attack by the insurgents. A in-war self defense situation.

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Integrity often requires sacrifice of the self.

To choose harm to self, even if it is in the guise of the supposedly noble self sacrifice, isn't integrity it's insanity.
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Posted Jan 02 2010 - 01:46 AM:
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Harm to the self? When harm is defined as being without possessions and not fighting in life or death situations, something is definitely screwy....no, insane.
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Posted Jan 03 2010 - 08:59 AM:
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i wonder if humankind will tire of war. i hope so. war sucks.

on that note, thanks everyone for your thoughtful and thought-provoking posts. the couch is now officially on an indefinite sabbatical. for more info please see this thread.

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