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Nancy Drew
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Posted 12/13/09 - 9:35 PM:
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    Anti-prison!
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    "All the stupidity and arbitrariness of the laws, all the pain of the initiations, the whole perverse apparatus of repression and education, the red-hot irons, and the atrocious procedures have only this meaning: to breed man, to mark him in his flesh, ... to form within him the debtor-creditor relation, which on both sides turns out to be a matter of memory -- a memory straining toward the future.
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    He has ... widened, beyond the limits allowed ... to such a degree that it is necessary to re-establish the equilibrium through an increase in pain. Nietzsche doesn't say this, but what does it matter? For it is indeed here [The Genealogy of Morals] that he encounters the terrible equation of debt: injury done = pain to be suffered. How does one explain, he asks, that the criminal's pain can serve as an "equivalent" of the harm he has done? How can one "pay back" with suffering?"

    D & G, Anti-Ĺ’dipus 3:7


"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a toothbrush ...or a water melon?! In no 'logical' way does anyone deserve to be in prison. It is a cultural invention; it is in the league of 'slaves deserve to be whipped', 'women deserve to be raped': 'criminals deserve to be chained in a gaol'. Wake up you sadistic perverted statists!

Punishment, like Santa Claus is made up. The idea that prison and punishment must follow from some action is magical thinking. Fallacy. It does not follow. That so few people have woken up from the primitive religious tribalism of the punishment-cult is truly scary. Yet the Dutch, the Quakers, Anarchists, and Post-Structuralists have been saying this for decades. The psychopathic maniacs that control the media and state and their brain-washed zombies all talk like the criminal justice 'system' is real, it isn't: It is a cultural invention; it is a massive torture machine. There are millions of people right now in the world living in chains and cages. The police and the prosecutor are the enemy of the people; they are sadistic 'priests of pain' who prey on the people, teaching a religion of imaginary retribution.

If Pavlov's dogs opened a restaurant; they would have bells ringing when the food was served. Prison is Pavlovian conditioning: the conditioning is during childhood and by the family, who, when the child does something wrong, he or she is punished. Having internalized this lesson, the child goes out-into the World with the notion that a transgression deserves punishment, and so builds prisons to make sure this happens. Why? Ring! Ring! Ring!

Protect society from who? You? Me? Most people in prison would easily have been acquitted if they hadn't been Black, or hadn't shop-lifted with two prior felonies, etc.. 90% of people in prison are not there because they did anything violent. The vast majority of people in prison are what to the minds of a more civilized future will surely be called political-prisoners.

So they don't re-offend? The people we are most afraid of re-offending are the least likely to. According to the largest recidivism study every carried out, the US Department of Justice shows murderers and sexual criminals are tied for the lowest recidivism rate of all categories of criminal! (Car thieves are most likely to repeat their crimes.)

Criminals deserve to be in prison? There is no such thing as "deserves". This word doesn't mean anything. It only expresses the non-necessary, habitual, cultural notion that prison should follow from a crime. This debt is imaginary! Even one generation earlier and it was assumed a murderer "deserved" to be hung. A few generations before that, and a murderer "deserved" to be drawn-and-quartered. A thief "deserved" to be drawn-and-quartered too. A generation from now the few prisons that still stand will have been turned into museums of cruelty; men and women will wince in disgust at the cells and shackles, children will cry.

Prison is reformation? This implies a previous and unfallen state. There is nothing to put back right. How can you un-kill someone; un-rape somebody? This is the imaginary criminal-debt problem. Something to keep in mind: prison exists, and we make up reasons to justify it and imagine uses for the the thing.

Reducing the number and type of prisoners is a solution? That's like arguing for a ban on execution by burning (UK: 1791); Let's go for a total moratorium on executions (UK: 1969). Who in the Hell would try to justify prisons!? Does someone think sadism is funny? Evidently so! If so, you are a bigot and a disgusting person! You are depraved and vile! Shame on you! I'm calling you out before the human-race for attempting to justify the unjustifiable! You are as loathsome as a Nazi or a slave-trader! You better seriously watch what you say in public! And you need to re-think your values.

When slave-ships were banned from the high-seas, they were moved onto dry-land? The debtors boats in Old England reinforce this idea that the primary function of prison is to hold 'on ice' surplus labor; a potential value of which for the unfortunate slave/debtor/prisoner, his or her body is the token of.

Trying to justify the prison system today is no different from how insane the past's justifications for burning-at-the-stake, the drowning pit, crucifixion, or branding were. Prison is a deranged and sadistic tribal ritual. No one deserves to be in prison -- ever. A day will come when prison will be widely regarded as a disgrace for the human race just as slavery is today.

The important thing isn't the ready made answer; it's to wake up and see that prison is not logically necessary. People assume this; it is ingrained deeply in our thinking because there is so much fear and emotion tied up in crime and punishment, but from the perspective of logic there is no necessity. It is first and most important to deconstruct this idea that crime = prison. It does not, it is irrational, illogical, and what's worse sadistic and monstrous. The criminal justice system is essentially a human-sacrifice ritual that has lived on into modern times. Enlightened people do not tolerate such barbarity!

Wake up people! Keeping human beings in tiny cement boxes for years-on-end is NOT OK!

History will vindicate what I say!

Blast all prisons apart with dynamite! Pour them full of concrete!


Please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison-industrial_complex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_abolition_movement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage_of_justice


Edited by Nancy Drew on 12/13/09 - 9:40 PM
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Posted 12/14/09 - 12:51 AM:

i agree that there are too many people in prison that shouldn't be. but rapists and serial killers, for starters, should not be running around freely, as far as i'm concerned. not for the sake of punishment, but for the sake of protecting other people from becoming victims. regardless of how more likely it is that a car thief is going to repeat his or her crime, the emotional cost of rape and of murder (yes, even by war) is not to be treated lightly. i think if you're ever raped, you'll agree. assuming you have the integrity to not respond to such a crime with a sense of vengeance, and assuming you lack the self-loathing to think you deserved it, i would hope that the first response you would consider appropriate would be to find the most effective way to prevent such a crime from happening to anyone else.

how do we do such a thing, in your estimation? in your view, should we even bother?
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Posted 12/14/09 - 1:17 PM:

libertygrl wrote:
i agree that there are too many people in prison that shouldn't be. but rapists and serial killers, for starters, should not be running around freely, as far as i'm concerned. not for the sake of punishment, but for the sake of protecting other people from becoming victims. regardless of how more likely it is that a car thief is going to repeat his or her crime, the emotional cost of rape and of murder (yes, even by war) is not to be treated lightly. i think if you're ever raped, you'll agree. assuming you have the integrity to not respond to such a crime with a sense of vengeance, and assuming you lack the self-loathing to think you deserved it, i would hope that the first response you would consider appropriate would be to find the most effective way to prevent such a crime from happening to anyone else.

how do we do such a thing, in your estimation? in your view, should we even bother?

We absolutely should bother. The instinctual reaction of anyone who sees or hears about prisons is to bust everyone free. It is only mass-repression that keeps prisons from being mobbed right now by outraged citizens.

The problem of rapists and killers has to be answered. Humanity has built Moon-rockets and mapped the genome, this is not impossible. Let's get creative! The amazing amount of money and work-hours spent on the legal system in modern states ensures that cost is no object for just anything we can think of.

How about "right to roam" or "freedom to roam" as is being developed in some European countries to overcome the enclosure of property? It may have ideological applicability to the prison problem: if right to roam is as sure a right as free-speech, security of person, etc, it may someday be the legal ticket for prisoners out of prison cells.

Because the prison phenomena relies on a pan-societal repression, there is a difficult chicken-and-egg-problem: the people actually desire their own oppression. The people actually think that "the police and the prosecutor represent the people" as is said in the opening to the US legal-system propaganda program 'Law and Order'. How can we take prisons down when the overwhelming majority of the populace actually desires to be punished for their mistakes? This is not abstract: every man, woman, and even child are in danger (2000+ children are serving life sentences in US prisons!): retroactive laws, false imprisonment, victimless crimes together with mandatory minimum sentencing. It is impossible, especially when the media is propagandizing this attitude.

But, arguably the majority of the public is still racist and sexist, and this has not stopped women's equality or racial equality movements from going ahead. Just as desegregation was carried out in the American South against the will of the populous, why shouldn't prison demolition also go ahead against the desires of the people? It is not necessary to erase tens of thousands of years of conditioning if we aim for very exact physical things: eg: ban on confinement in small spaces of less that 'N' meters square.

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