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JrnymnX
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Posted 12/07/09 - 3:50 PM:

cripes wrote:
The problem I have with this is: what about my father and his mother. My father was born in 1911 and his mother way before that. Thimerosal hadn't come on the scene until sometime in the 1930's.


I don't understand the intent of your mentioning your father and grandmother.
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Posted 12/07/09 - 7:19 PM:

JrnymnX wrote:


I don't understand the intent of your mentioning your father and grandmother.
I'm just like the two of them.
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Posted 12/30/09 - 12:02 AM:

cripes,

Sorry for not replying to your post earlier. I don't spend much of my online time here so its easy for me to overlook some things.

It doesn't suprise me that you are like your father and grandmother. Social interaction skills are learned and who are you going to learn from if not your family?

As to the high score on the test - take the test with a grain of salt. In my opinion it is a flawed test. There is no weighting between questions, for example the question about social chit chat is weighted the same as one about being able to infer what someone is thingking or feeling by looking at their face. And there is no weighting in the questions with the responses for 'slightly' and 'definitely' both being scored at one. The long and the short of it to me is that it is a test designed to put people above the magic number of the control group.

When they changed autism into a spectrum of disorders they tripled the number of people 'suffering' from it. This test makes me think they are looking for new recruits.

I just googled 'drugs for autism' and found a site that listed 33 drugs used to treat children with autism. I wonder if the pharmaceutical companies were happy when the number of autism sufferers tripled?
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Posted 12/30/09 - 8:02 AM:

There are actually only two other people besides me that I know personally who go over the score of 34, and that includes all 5 of my children, my wife and about 30 or 40 people in forums.

Taking an evolutionary view of this has caused me to look in that direction and I've found The Highly Sensitive Person. These two people are psychoanalysts whom are also evolutionists I learned of from David Sloan Wilson's book "Evolution For Everyone.'

As it turns out, what we've labeled as Asperger Syndrome is also call HSP. It seems that about 20 percent of many species have this difference in their makeup which as I've said all along is simply a slight variation in the brain.My point is that there is nothing to treat.

I think its a good idea to have a spectrum for human variation, but I don't know if that spectrum should be called Autism. I'm beginning to have my doubts about the name because at this point it may connote too much in the way of mental illness.

As for the drug companies - they are the reason why this conversation needs to become public and not exclusive to them and the pushers they use and we call doctors. I went for what I thought was going to be a formal evaluation and after a simple one hour question and answer with a psychiatrist, who apparent;y had his mind made up after reading my initial paperwork and not testing me or asking any questions that relate to Aspergers, I was diagnosed by him as having a social anxiety disorder and learning disability and wanted to put me on a couple of perscriptions. Theres no question I have social difficulties but I have no such learning disability. He charged me $800.00 for an hour and a half, but decided to refund my money after informing him that I was going to have a second opinion. As it turns out, this guy doesn't recognize Asperger's as part of the Autism spectrum and has never evaluated anyone older than children for anything other than severe Autism. It was a joke. Now I'm having second thoughts about an evaluation because I know whats going on with me.

There are quite a lot of others like me out there, even, dare I say one or two maybe on this forum and there are a lot more coming. We're taking over...muhahahahaha! The good news is: life will be much more fun once we do.laughing
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I watched a tv show about autism in which a person with pronounced autism said that what the world regarded in her as odd she saw as normal. Kind of had a hint of 'bite me' in it which I found quite satisfying.
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Posted 12/30/09 - 7:05 PM:

I agree. The organization "Autism Speaks" is as far off the mark as it gets. Heres their video - tell me this isn't scare tactics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDdcDlQVYtM

What people don't understand is that those kids that look like they're all alone in their own world are actually quite happy with their thoughts and ideas. When I was in school I would constantly be asked by adults what was wrong and why did I look so sad, my response was always: leave me the f__k alone, and then of course I'd get in trouble.

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Posted 06/28/10 - 2:21 AM:

Scientifically proven that Thimerosal containing mercury causes autism.

articles.mercola.com/sites/...mercury-causes-autism.aspx

http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/thimerosal.php

The court system even proved it during HHS VS BAILY BANKS

“ The court found that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccine….vaccine did cause ADEM(autism)…Bailey would not have suffered this delay if not for the MMR Vaccine….A cause and effect leading from vaccine to Persuasive Developmental Delay…MMR vaccine caused the conditions Bailey suffers from”(Bailey Banks Vs HHS)

www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/site...s/Abell.BANKS.02-0738V.pdf

So, to answer your question NO..takes a bowclap
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Reflection of Shadows wrote:
Scientifically proven that Thimerosal containing mercury causes autism.

articles.mercola.com/sites/...mercury-causes-autism.aspx

http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/thimerosal.php

The court system even proved it during HHS VS BAILY BANKS

“ The court found that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccine….vaccine did cause ADEM(autism)…Bailey would not have suffered this delay if not for the MMR Vaccine….A cause and effect leading from vaccine to Persuasive Developmental Delay…MMR vaccine caused the conditions Bailey suffers from”(Bailey Banks Vs HHS)

www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/site...s/Abell.BANKS.02-0738V.pdf

So, to answer your question NO..takes a bowclap
I'm curious to understand how Thiomersal works to cause "Autism", and how its seemingly passed down. I've not read anything about that. Also, why is it some children are affected and others are not, both having received the same vaccines?

From wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy

Autism
Main article: Thiomersal controversy

A 2006 review of scientific studies found "no convincing evidence" that thiomersal has a causal role in the onset of autism or that for the use of chelation treatments targeting thiomersal.[18] Despite this, many parents, and some scientists and doctors, believe there is a connection.[19] Parents may first become aware of autistic symptoms in their child around the time of a routine vaccination, and parental concern about vaccines has led to a decreasing uptake of childhood immunizations and an increasing likelihood of measles outbreaks.[3][18][20] More than 5,000 U.S. families have filed claims in a federal vaccine court alleging autism was caused by vaccines, most implicating thiomersal; the majority of these claims are still being adjudicated.[19] The U.S. federal government agreed to award damages in one case, to a girl with a mitochondrial enzyme deficiency who developed autistic-like symptoms after receiving a series of vaccines,[21] some of which contained thiomersal. Many parents view this ruling as confirming that vaccines cause regressive autism;[22] however, most children with autism do not seem to have mitochondrial disorders, and the case was conceded without proof of causation.[23]
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm070430.htm
I could add a lot more but so could you and it turns into a tit-for-tat. What we've defined as Autism is simply an evolved variation in the brain. Equal differences have been observed in other species, too.

I understand you and others would like to find someone other than the parents culpable for what we've labeled as "Autism", but there is nobody, including you or me or pharmaceutical companies "guilty' of it, its a part of evolution.

Severely affected people with this "autism" will not have the opportunity to reproduce and that form of it will therefore eventually dissipate, if you will.




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