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Posted 08/15/09 - 9:32 PM:
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What is a slave and what is a prisoner? (rough notes)

I was born into slavery. And fought my way up to prisoner!

The slave obeys. The slave subjugates his will to that of an other or others. The slave 3is never under duress -- that is the prisoner. The prisoner makes no pretension of submission. From the outside the two may be indistinguishable -- but they are totally different -- opposites. The slave is a slave in mind, the prisoner is always really free.

There is no shame in being a prisoner. Anyone can be overpowered, outwitted, outnumbered.

These are absolute considerations: one-thousand years is not a mitigation: she is biding her time, in stealth... waiting to make a break for it. No outward symbol can ever demonstrate slavery because slavery is not an incongruity of will and situatedness(?). Shackles, bars, whips and chains... these are the common condition of slave and prisoner.

Motive: The slave seeks to preserve his life, the prisoner seeks to preserve her will.

Will is not a component, sub-machine, of life; it is not. Will proceeds life, and life depends on will. We will ourselves to die and we will our life. If you die in your dream, you die -- this folk wisdom has no experiential proof, yet it creeps in by necessary logic. The last free act of a a prisoner might be to will the eradication of her life. The slave never does this, he is a slave to life. No one can have everything she wants all the time -- if ever.

A prisoner's will is obstructed, but it is not subjected. (This is a fault that society values life, and not liberty; but a society must -- and an individual must never -- or he becomes a slave.)

The radical freedom of God's will is identical to his animals. No animal has a life; no imaginary cares; if an animal can perceive her escape -- born free -- she takes it!
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Posted 08/16/09 - 1:55 AM:

Elegant.
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Posted 08/16/09 - 9:32 PM:

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Posted 08/17/09 - 12:15 AM:

You guys are cool. Thanks.
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Posted 08/17/09 - 1:50 AM:

Nancy Drew wrote:
You guys are cool. Thanks.



Welcome.
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Posted 08/22/09 - 8:57 AM:

Ah, so there might be, theoretically, happy slaves, but never happy prisoners?

The will of the slave is co-opted; he could be oppressed to the point where he believed whatever the master wished him to believe--in this case, that slavery is his natural destiny, and that in it he is fortunate and happy. I'm using the masculine pronoun only for convenience...

But the prisoner, by the above definition, hangs on to his will, his longing for freedom and self-realization, although this persistent grasp constantly reminds him of the difference between his desires and reality, and keeps him unhappy.
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Posted 08/22/09 - 11:05 AM:

I like the piece a lot, but it has a sting - it contains a very dangerous train of thought. Thinking a bit further about this, one might consider that one can categorise people, that some people are better than others... the prisoners versus the slaves. I certainly don't like where that goes.

Considering, though, that this piece is about personal growth and personal development, I love it. Well done.
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Posted 08/22/09 - 12:41 PM:

Nancy Drew wrote:
Motive: The slave seeks to preserve his life, the prisoner seeks to preserve her will.


Essentially, they both seek the same thing, to pass on their genetic information. The only difference is that society is cheating the slave, and the prisoner is cheating society.
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Posted 08/22/09 - 1:47 PM:

praxis wrote:
Essentially, they both seek the same thing, to pass on their genetic information. The only difference is that society is cheating the slave, and the prisoner is cheating society.


How so?
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Posted 08/22/09 - 10:46 PM:

Thinker13 wrote:


How so?

The slaver society and the prisoner both take resources that are not freely given for personal advantage; don't act for the mutual benefit of the whole.
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Posted 08/24/09 - 1:51 AM:

praxis wrote:

The slaver society and the prisoner both take resources that are not freely given for personal advantage; don't act for the mutual benefit of the whole.


Ok.
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